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Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Vote 11 - Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Collection of Pension Contributions due to the Exchequer
Chapter 3 - Control of Funding for Voted Public Services
Chapter 5 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Vote 11 - Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 95: Financial Reporting in the Public Sector
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 99: Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 100: Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2016
(18 Oct 2018)

Bobby Aylward: Does the money coming in cover that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Vote 11 - Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Collection of Pension Contributions due to the Exchequer
Chapter 3 - Control of Funding for Voted Public Services
Chapter 5 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Vote 11 - Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 95: Financial Reporting in the Public Sector
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 99: Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 100: Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2016
(18 Oct 2018)

Bobby Aylward: It would lower the burden on the future taxpayers when compared with the current scheme. The taxpayers of the future will have to pay for it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Vote 11 - Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Collection of Pension Contributions due to the Exchequer
Chapter 3 - Control of Funding for Voted Public Services
Chapter 5 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Vote 11 - Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 95: Financial Reporting in the Public Sector
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 99: Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 100: Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2016
(18 Oct 2018)

Bobby Aylward: Will it ever come to a point where contributions will be put into a reserve fund?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Vote 11 - Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Collection of Pension Contributions due to the Exchequer
Chapter 3 - Control of Funding for Voted Public Services
Chapter 5 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Vote 11 - Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 95: Financial Reporting in the Public Sector
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 99: Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 100: Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2016
(18 Oct 2018)

Bobby Aylward: When is it envisaged that will happen?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Vote 11 - Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Collection of Pension Contributions due to the Exchequer
Chapter 3 - Control of Funding for Voted Public Services
Chapter 5 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Vote 11 - Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 95: Financial Reporting in the Public Sector
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 99: Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 100: Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2016
(18 Oct 2018)

Bobby Aylward: Is the new scheme a better guarantee to an employee than the old scheme, or is it much the same?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Vote 11 - Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Collection of Pension Contributions due to the Exchequer
Chapter 3 - Control of Funding for Voted Public Services
Chapter 5 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Vote 11 - Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 95: Financial Reporting in the Public Sector
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 99: Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 100: Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2016
(18 Oct 2018)

Bobby Aylward: Would recessions affect pensions or are they guaranteed no matter what happens?

Public Accounts Committee: HEA Financial Statements 2017 (18 Oct 2018)

Bobby Aylward: I will probably be repetitious in touching on some topics because it seems to be all about governance and accountability today. As was said, it is a pity we are not talking about further education and having a better system in place, rather than talking about governance and accountability. I am sorry to hear that Dr. Love is leaving. I wish him well in his future career wherever he goes....

Public Accounts Committee: HEA Financial Statements 2017 (18 Oct 2018)

Bobby Aylward: Dr. Love's talents are very honourable. We consider Ireland to be the island of saints and scholars. While I do not know about the saints, it is important that the scholarly ambition be retained. On Mr. Ó Foghlú's statement, every bit of the report is about accountability and governance. It includes lines such as, "The introduction of a new governance framework for the higher...

Public Accounts Committee: HEA Financial Statements 2017 (18 Oct 2018)

Bobby Aylward: Is Mr. Ó Foghlú saying there were failures in the system and that it was creaking up until the new regulation on governance was brought forward in 2015? Where were the failures, problems or the breakdown in the system?

Public Accounts Committee: HEA Financial Statements 2017 (18 Oct 2018)

Bobby Aylward: On the institutions under our control that have been mentioned such as those in Limerick, Cork and Waterford, as well as the institutions in counties Kildare and Wicklow, representatives of have appeared before the committee, and where the big faults were found in the system, were the institutes out of control in ignoring the rules and regulations in place and in terms of the powers to...

Public Accounts Committee: HEA Financial Statements 2017 (18 Oct 2018)

Bobby Aylward: I am referring to institutions and universities.

Public Accounts Committee: HEA Financial Statements 2017 (18 Oct 2018)

Bobby Aylward: It was all about governance. Why did we have representatives from those institutions before the committee and why were we asking questions? Why were there investigations after they had been here? There were questions to be answered, whether about governance or errors. There was a breakdown somewhere along the line. They would not have been before the committee which investigates how...

Public Accounts Committee: HEA Financial Statements 2017 (18 Oct 2018)

Bobby Aylward: I accept the concept of self-governance, but if there is no self-governance, there are breaches of the rules and some are running away with themselves in exercising their powers-----

Public Accounts Committee: HEA Financial Statements 2017 (18 Oct 2018)

Bobby Aylward: Should there be some system in place that would ring an alarm bell if there were breakdowns or breaches? Everyone is not perfect and there are always breakdowns and problems with individuals or institutions.

Public Accounts Committee: HEA Financial Statements 2017 (18 Oct 2018)

Bobby Aylward: On powers to investigate in the future, does the legislation need to be strengthened through the Dáil or is it a matter for the Minister? Who has the power to give the HEA or another entity the power it needs to step in? Who is responsible? Is it the Minister of the Government of the day, or is it us as legislators?

Public Accounts Committee: HEA Financial Statements 2017 (18 Oct 2018)

Bobby Aylward: Therefore, the legislation needs to be strengthened. I want to clarify that we, as legislators, are responsible to make the powers-----

Public Accounts Committee: HEA Financial Statements 2017 (18 Oct 2018)

Bobby Aylward: Does Mr. Ó Foghlú believe we in this House are falling down in that regard?

Public Accounts Committee: HEA Financial Statements 2017 (18 Oct 2018)

Bobby Aylward: Would Mr. Ó Foghlú not give us wind of it in order that we would look in the right direction?

Public Accounts Committee: HEA Financial Statements 2017 (18 Oct 2018)

Bobby Aylward: My last question is about the relationship between the Department and the HEA. Does Mr. Ó Foghlú think it is good, with there being no conflict and with transparency and accountability between the two? Is there a good working relationship?

Public Accounts Committee: HEA Financial Statements 2017 (18 Oct 2018)

Bobby Aylward: Does Dr. Love agree? Does he wish to comment?

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