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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: And the reply.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: To whom is the Deputy attributing the comment "Ken is after pressing the nuclear button"?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is fine.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Right. I have a quick few questions and a couple of comments and then we have two very final questions. When was the Commissioner first made aware in her 36 years, or how long is she a member of the force?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is to be admired. I was at a retirement do at the weekend for a member of An Garda Síochána who was 39 years in the job. When was she first made aware of the Sportsfield company during her service?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: The same July 2015.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: The Commissioner was not aware of it before then.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Okay. This is a quick fire round. The Commissioner has referred the issues raised by Mr. Kelly last Friday and Monday to GSOC and the Comptroller and Auditor General, etc. She has also referred them to OLAF. Is it a source of embarrassment for her that a member of An Garda Síochána has, over the last number of weeks, referred these issues to OLAF and the European Court of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: It has been reported that a member of the force has referred matters and written to OLAF and the European Court of Auditors asking that the issues in relation to the European accounts, which we discussed earlier on, be investigated. The Commissioner is aware of that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: We have seen receipts from the organisation saying that they are looking into it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: It is a fact that a member of the force has in the last two weeks written to both organisations and referred this whole issue to them.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: A number of us on the committee are well aware of it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: There is no documentation with everyone in the committee. I am only asking if the Commissioner was aware that this happened and, if she was, whether it was embarrassing. She has now told us she was not aware.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: No. I have seen receipts. I did not say the committee.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Okay. Fine.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: I am only asking for clarification. I move to the last couple of questions. We have now become aware of the European accounts. Are there any other accounts the Commissioner feels will end us up in this territory which at this moment in time she is concerned will be dealt with by Mr. Kelly in a similar manner? At this juncture, are there other accounts she feels will end up in similar...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: I have a final question and then a couple of comments. When did the Commissioner first inform the Department of the issues in Templemore? Sorry, I will take that back. When did she have her first ever conversation or communication of any sort with the Department? I refer to the Commissioner personally because we have heard that the Department found out through being cc'd on an email from...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: The Commissioner said she acted promptly on 27 July. She should be aware that the Department will be in here after her. She mentioned 27 July. Did she insist that the Department be on the committee?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: In fairness, the Commissioner made us aware of that. However, the strange thing is that if the Commissioner acted promptly and wanted the Department involved, why was it that the Department was not made aware of the committee until 6 October? That is from 27 July to 6 October. Second, the Department nominated someone for it on 10 November. If this was such an urgent issue and the...

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