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Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (20 May 2015)

Eoghan Murphy: In finalising your accounts, then, for 2007 and this report came in December 2007, you could make no regard to this particular risk being identified and you could have no concern for the future, based on this risk?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (20 May 2015)

Eoghan Murphy: Okay, thank you. Thank you, Chairman.

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (14 May 2015)

Eoghan Murphy: Thank you, Chairman, and thank you both, you're very welcome. Mr. Burrows, I'd like to, before we talk about your time on the board, and Mr. Crowley, I'd like to just go quickly to the night of the guarantee, to get a few things on the record, if I may. Mr. FitzPatrick and Mr. Drumm came to see you on the afternoon of 29 September 2008, looking for help for Anglo Irish Bank, is that correct?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (14 May 2015)

Eoghan Murphy: How long did that meeting last?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (14 May 2015)

Eoghan Murphy: In refusing to give assistance to Anglo, did you or Mr. Goggin say that the Bank of Ireland had its own problems and that the bank might also run out of money if things continued as they were?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (14 May 2015)

Eoghan Murphy: So you didn't give them any information as to your views of your own bank's own position at the time?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (14 May 2015)

Eoghan Murphy: Okay, thank you; and then you initiated the meeting with the Government, is that correct?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (14 May 2015)

Eoghan Murphy: And did you do that at Anglo Irish Bank's request?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (14 May 2015)

Eoghan Murphy: Okay. How did you initiate that meeting?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (14 May 2015)

Eoghan Murphy: Okay. And did you make that approach then through him to Government-----

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (14 May 2015)

Eoghan Murphy: -----or did you make that approach separately?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (14 May 2015)

Eoghan Murphy: Okay. And then you went about setting up the meeting-----

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (14 May 2015)

Eoghan Murphy: And was that by making a phone call to the Minister, to the Taoiseach, to the Secretary General?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (14 May 2015)

Eoghan Murphy: Okay. You say in your written opening statement that the immediate funding problems of Anglo could have been dealt with at the time with a guarantee from the Government of the €10 billion in financial support that both you and AIB were willing to give. That was your view at the time.

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (14 May 2015)

Eoghan Murphy: Okay. At this point in time, then, was the discussion around a possible four-bank guarantee?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (14 May 2015)

Eoghan Murphy: We hadn't reached that yet-----

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (14 May 2015)

Eoghan Murphy: Can I just clarify on that point then, Mr. Burrows, there was never any discussion of a four-bank guarantee, with Anglo and Nationwide being taken down, to use Mr. Gleeson's phrase? That was never considered while you were there on the night?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (14 May 2015)

Eoghan Murphy: Okay. Can I take you, if I may, just to one of the evidence documents, it's BOI - C3b, pages 9 to 11, and it is a note from that night of the meeting? At the beginning of that note is a list of attendance, and then there's bullet points, comments attributed to you, Mr. Burrows. I don't know if you have this note in front of you?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (14 May 2015)

Eoghan Murphy: You've seen the note. There are ten bulleted points attributed to you, but Mr. Gleeson, when he was before us, said that he believed that only the top two lines were comments that you made, and the other eight were his comments. Can you confirm if that's the case?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (14 May 2015)

Eoghan Murphy: So that bullet point 7 where it says "Reminded action: 2 elements (a) guarantee for surviving (b) troubled patients to be taken out", you think that was Mr. Gleeson?

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