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Public Accounts Committee: Health Information and Quality Authority: Financial Statement 2016 (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: So it is too rigid.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Information and Quality Authority: Financial Statement 2016 (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: What Ms Dunnion is saying is that we, as legislators, need to look at changing the regulations through the Health Act in order to ensure that they are tailored to individual services rather applying to bricks and mortar.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Information and Quality Authority: Financial Statement 2016 (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: I wish to dig into this further. I was somewhat annoyed about what happened in Ennis - let us not think about what is going to happen in the future - because details started appearing in the media before the stakeholders even knew, which is not good. An issue of public confidence arises. I was not happy with how it was managed and I am still not happy, but we will deal with it at the Joint...

Public Accounts Committee: Health Information and Quality Authority: Financial Statement 2016 (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: If I were to go through the records of all the nursing homes in Ireland or, more particularly, for those in County Clare - by the way, I do not represent the people of Clare - I presume I would find a rota process by means of which all of this is done.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Information and Quality Authority: Financial Statement 2016 (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: Nobody could be accused of being zealous in their undertakings or anything of that nature.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Information and Quality Authority: Financial Statement 2016 (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: I understand that. Basically, there is a rigidity. However, there is enough fluidity in the system that HIQA staff can change it when they want.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Information and Quality Authority: Financial Statement 2016 (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: How does that happen? Does it arise on foot of public complaints?

Public Accounts Committee: Health Information and Quality Authority: Financial Statement 2016 (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: Effectively, there is a matrix.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Information and Quality Authority: Financial Statement 2016 (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: I ask Ms Dunnion to write to the committee secretariat outlining the matrix and showing where it is documented because I have never seen it. I would genuinely like to see where it is documented that HIQA operates in this way.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Information and Quality Authority: Financial Statement 2016 (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: Will Ms Dunnion indicate where the information is to be found because I have not see it. I will write to Ms Dunnion separately on seeking historical information. This has consequences for the Committee of Public Accounts, which must account for taxpayer's money. The Government made a decision in respect of multi-occupancy rooms in nursing homes, which basically allows the use of such rooms...

Public Accounts Committee: Health Information and Quality Authority: Financial Statement 2016 (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: I know that.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Information and Quality Authority: Financial Statement 2016 (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: Was HIQA upset by it? Does Ms Dunnion agree with it?

Public Accounts Committee: Health Information and Quality Authority: Financial Statement 2016 (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: I am not saying that. I asked a simple question. Ms Dunnion was quite eloquent when responding to Deputy MacSharry. It would probably be easier if I were to ask Ms Dunnion whether she agrees with it. The knock-on effects in the context of taxpayer's money, public confidence and the HSE's budget are dramatic. As matters stand, there will be a process whereby HIQA will do its job and will...

Public Accounts Committee: Health Information and Quality Authority: Financial Statement 2016 (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: I would like an answer please.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Information and Quality Authority: Financial Statement 2016 (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: I agree with all of that. We have to assess how money will be spent. My question is whether HIQA will work within the directive?

Public Accounts Committee: Health Information and Quality Authority: Financial Statement 2016 (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: I just want an answer to the question.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: Before we go into private session, I asked last week for a list of Education and Training Boards, ETBs, and where we were as regards the Comptroller and Auditor General and their accounts for 2015 and 2016. Has that list been drawn up? We will be bringing the ETBs in at some point in time and I would like-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is fine.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: Another issue, which may not be for now but for next week, is the correspondence from Deputy MacSharry. Does the Chairman want to leave that until next week?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: No, it is in regard to what happened-----

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