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Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: -----the Minister of State's question.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: This from a man who says he does not interrupt.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: From reports I have come across on foetal pain, it is happening earlier than the 24 weeks indicated by the Minister of State yesterday. I would like to refer him to a report by the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists in England, which strongly recommends that women should routinely be offered pain relief during surgical operations. It is part of their recommendations that this...

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: On a point of order-----

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: The point of order is very clear. Yesterday evening we passed a Bill that legitimises all the procedures of operation that were described as so disgusting and barbaric when I quoted medical doctors who gave this evidence in open session in the US Congress. We legalised that yesterday, so what the Senator says is incorrect.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: I do not wish to interrupt the Minister of State, but can I have a reply to the terms "reasonable grounds" and "in good faith"? In other words, does it qualify "reasonable opinion"? Can the Minister of State deal with that point?

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: No. Section 9 is not that risk

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: It would not be practicable.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: On a point of order, can Senator Cullinane tell Members where is the body of Jean McConville?

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: Not here.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: The amendment is very specific about the ultrasound. I am giving the reason I tabled it and the reason it is specific. This person also mentioned that abortion is a reflection that we have not met the needs of women but many states, particularly in the United States, have brought in a requirement that once a woman has made this irrevocable decision, she must be made aware that she can never...

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: Are you the Senator who knows about Jean McConville?

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: There are two parts to amendment No. 16. The first of these relates to the reasonable opinion of medical practitioners. I refer here to opinions formed not just in good faith but also on reasonable grounds. I understand, from discussing the matter with legal people, that reasonable opinion on reasonable grounds could be interpreted separately and that including the term "on reasonable...

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: It is a question of intent.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: I never accused the Senator of anything.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: I thank the Minister of State for his response. My question is not so much about neonatal services, because that service is the minimum to be expected in hospitals where abortions are being performed. I am alarmed to think that five of the 24 hospitals do not have at least that minimum facility. I am looking for facilities for the intensive care of newborns. I will comment briefly on...

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: You are doing it now.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: I move amendment No. 4: In page 7, between lines 27 and 28, to insert the following:"(iv) facilities for the intensive care of newborns,".This amendment concerns in-patient services provided under the direction of medical practitioners. I want to ensure that the services would include facilities for the intensive care of newborns. Senator Burke raised the viability of the foetus after...

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: I thank the Minister of State for his response and commitment that this will not happen. I would love to believe that was the case. Section 38 of the Health Act 2004 states the executive "may enter into". The Minister of State is relying on the fact that the executive will not enter into an agreement, but there is nothing in the legislation that prevents the executive from doing so. I...

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: These interruptions-----

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