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Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste (Atógáil) - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2013)

Brian Hayes: If one is an Irish citizen in Northern Ireland and one does not happen to have a degree from the National University of Ireland or Trinity College Dublin, one has no entitlement to vote. If Senator Barrett is positing the argument that this is of some great importance in terms of Irish citizens living in Northern Ireland, the great number of whom are disenfranchised from that process because...

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste (Atógáil) - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2013)

Brian Hayes: It concerns the Presidency and whether people should be entitled to vote therein.

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste (Atógáil) - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2013)

Brian Hayes: People are on pretty dodgy ground on this issue where whole sections of the population are excluded from voting.

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste (Atógáil) - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2013)

Brian Hayes: That is rubbish.

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste (Atógáil) - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2013)

Brian Hayes: The real meat of the Bill is in the Schedules. If one abolishes the House, one abolishes the references that exist to the House. Some of those are simply reference points. Others, one could argue, have some standing. I presume those issues will emerge in the course of the campaign. The question was also asked why we would not put up for scrutiny by the people the new system we propose for...

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste (Atógáil) - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2013)

Brian Hayes: No, they are internal procedures. That will also form a part of the campaign in terms of the new system we propose. Senator Healy Eames asked about its origin. Previously in the debate we had a very good discussion on the second last report on Seanad reform produced by an all-party committee chaired by the former Deputy, Mr. Jim O’Keeffe, with the late Mr. Brian Lenihan, as Vice...

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste (Atógáil) - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2013)

Brian Hayes: -----in terms of reforming the Dáil, is very close to what we propose not just in terms of the various Stages of Bills but also the review. The point I made earlier was misunderstood. The review relates to the committee that will be established, which within a year must re-examine exactly what has occurred following enactment of legislation.

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste (Atógáil) - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2013)

Brian Hayes: Yes, for each Bill. That is important. We propose that as an alternative. The current issue is the question of the abolition of the Seanad. If the referendum is successful we will then put in place the new architecture that is required for Dáil reform. If it is not then the Seanad will continue. One cannot presume to put in place Dáil reform until such time as the abolition...

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste (Atógáil) - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2013)

Brian Hayes: Senator Norris does not respect me and I do not respect him.

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste (Atógáil) - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2013)

Brian Hayes: Senator Norris has no respect for me so, with respect, I have no respect for him and his boorish behaviour in the past 48 hours.

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste (Atógáil) - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2013)

Brian Hayes: Fine. That is grand. Senator Norris can shout, roar and scream like the megalomaniac he is.

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste (Atógáil) - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2013)

Brian Hayes: The question of information is important. Members are aware that the information campaign some years ago was based on putting forward an argument for and against on a referendum. That has been changed and it is now a public information campaign. A High Court judge will be appointed for the purpose and will put the commission in place. The commission has been successful in getting...

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste (Atógáil) - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2013)

Brian Hayes: They will be Standing Orders of the Dáil.

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste (Atógáil) - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2013)

Brian Hayes: If they are Standing Orders of the Dáil they will remain Standing Orders of the Dáil.

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste (Atógáil) - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2013)

Brian Hayes: If Senator Wilson reads the articles relating to this House and the other House the internal procedures of both Houses are a matter for both Houses, they are not a matter for the Constitution.

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste (Atógáil) - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2013)

Brian Hayes: That is my understanding.

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste (Atógáil) - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2013)

Brian Hayes: The Senator should be assured that I can hear him.

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste (Atógáil) - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2013)

Brian Hayes: Yes.

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste (Atógáil) - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2013)

Brian Hayes: Yes. Is that all right?

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste (Atógáil) - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2013)

Brian Hayes: This will be where those in the broader society who have an interest in the Bill will be invited in to discuss the heads of the Bill with the committee. We will then have a publication stage, a Second Stage which is the normal discursive Second Stage, a Committee Stage where all of the amendments will be discussed, a Report Stage, and a new stage to be called the pre-enactment stage, where...

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