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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (17 Feb 2022)

Brian Stanley: What is the number of the point to which the Deputy is referring?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(17 Feb 2022)

Brian Stanley: I am asking about the project at O'Devaney Gardens which is a PPP of sorts.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(17 Feb 2022)

Brian Stanley: Sorry, but I want to use my time to find out about costs. I am interested in the cost per unit. We we all want more units and we are all on the same page in that regard. What I am saying here is that it seems the cost is in the region of €400,000. In fact, €403,000 is the figure I have but I am open to correction on that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(17 Feb 2022)

Brian Stanley: What is the council paying for its units?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(17 Feb 2022)

Brian Stanley: Are we talking about a mixture of apartments and houses?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(17 Feb 2022)

Brian Stanley: Will Mr. Doyle come back to us with the exact costs, with details on the types of housing and the cost for each type? Some of them are one and two bedroom apartments. I am also interested in the Oscar Traynor Road site. Again, housing is needed but the problem is that on State-owned land, we are talking about €380,000 per unit.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(17 Feb 2022)

Brian Stanley: In terms of the cost to the State for units that are essentially on "free" land, that is, land that is owned by the State or the local authority, what is an acceptable figure from the Department's point of view for a three bedroom house, for example? What is the benchmark figure?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(17 Feb 2022)

Brian Stanley: At this point, the figures are there because the deal is done and that is fair enough. There is a mixture of one, two and three bedroom units, some of which are apartments and some of which are houses. What I am trying to ascertain here is the cost to the State, via Dublin City Council or other local authorities, of each unit. What is the cost to the State of a one bedroom apartment? What...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(17 Feb 2022)

Brian Stanley: Okay. I thank the witnesses from the Department for the work they are involved in and for their preparation for this meeting. It is a big Department with a considerable amount of work to do and we wish everyone well with that work. The witnesses heard a lot of concerns and suggestions from committee members this morning. I also thank the Comptroller and Auditor General and his staff for...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(17 Feb 2022)

Brian Stanley: Does Deputy Hourigan have another question?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(17 Feb 2022)

Brian Stanley: On affordable cost rental and affordable housing, how many units were delivered? I know the Department does not have complete figures for 2021. How many cost rentals were delivered in the first nine months of the year?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(17 Feb 2022)

Brian Stanley: Does that include affordable purchase?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(17 Feb 2022)

Brian Stanley: How many affordable purchase properties were delivered?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(17 Feb 2022)

Brian Stanley: I just wanted to clarify that. I will ask about the thresholds for social housing. One's income has to be under a certain level before one can go on the social housing waiting list. Those figures, as I recall, have not been reviewed since 2011. Different people, including Ministers, told me as far back as two years ago that a review was happening. There are some answers to parliamentary...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(17 Feb 2022)

Brian Stanley: Who is considering it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(17 Feb 2022)

Brian Stanley: Okay. If any of the officials are working on the review with the Minister, I ask them to convey that message to him.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(17 Feb 2022)

Brian Stanley: It is an urgent piece of work that needs to be completed.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(17 Feb 2022)

Brian Stanley: I will ask briefly about public private partnerships, PPPs. I have a lot of questions about PPPs that we will not have time to get into. Our guests are handed a policy, as I said earlier, to try to deal with this. Take, for example, the PPP for O'Devaney Gardens. Am I correct in saying that the cost to the State to purchase each of those units is €403,000?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(17 Feb 2022)

Brian Stanley: This is on public land so there are no land costs. Am I correct that the cost to the State is €403,000 per unit?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(17 Feb 2022)

Brian Stanley: If members wish to come in for a quick question each, they have three minutes each.

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