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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Allow the Commissioner to clarify.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: I presume that this structure does not apply to the internal auditor. The internal auditor has to have a relationship with the Accounting Officer.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: So it is completely separate even though he is only at the grade of assistant principal.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: The time is up. Deputy Connolly should finish her question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: No, I am sorry. Deputy Connolly has had her time.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: The Deputy's clock was run down long ago.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: The running order-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Okay. The running order now is Deputy Farrell, who is not here, me, Deputy Cassells, Deputy McDonald, Deputy Burke and following on that we have everyone indicating again. That is just the running order based on who was here at the time.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: The Commissioner pointed out earlier that Mr. Dunne made a clarification and sent us an email. We are aware of that. It is interesting that it was a clarification that he was not even asked for but he still sent it in. Has there been any communication from anyone in An Garda Síochána over the past three months with Mr. Dunne?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: It must be done through the Commissioner. We must stick to the rules.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: I suggest that what we will do is write to the Commissioner and ask when the meetings took place and what was discussed.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: We will write to ask for clarification because it does seem strange that a clarification was sent in by Mr. Dunne even though it was not requested, which relates to a very important piece of evidence that he gave. I have asked this question numerous times in the committee and I will ask the Commissioner the same thing. Does she have confidence in everybody who is at senior management...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Will Ms O'Sullivan answer my question now, please?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Okay, for a third time, will Ms O'Sullivan answer my question, please?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Okay, for the fourth time, will Ms O'Sullivan answer my question, please?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: I will repeat it. Does Ms O'Sullivan have confidence in every single member of senior management in An Garda Síochána in their current positions? The majority of them have been witnesses here. Does Ms O'Sullivan have full confidence in each and every one of them and their capacity to work together?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Ms O'Sullivan can break it down whichever way she wants. I will make it simple for her. Does she have full confidence in them in their roles? That is the first question. Second, does she have full confidence that every member of her senior management team has the capacity to do their job? Third, does she have confidence they can all work together collectively to the best of An Garda...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: To be fair to the Commissioner, I have asked this question in numerous ways now and I am still not getting a clear answer. Members of the public, who are watching proceedings, need to know, as a result of what they have seen here, that Ms O'Sullivan has full confidence in every way in each and every one of the management team in An Garda Síochána. I need to know this, as the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: So Ms O'Sullivan has confidence in every single person.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: That does not mean Ms O'Sullivan has confidence in every individual. I find it absolutely alarming. I will move on. Earlier we had engagement with the Comptroller and Auditor General on the role of Accounting Officer. I presume Ms O'Sullivan is fully aware of what is the role of Accounting Officer.

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