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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will put all of those organisations on notice to be ready on 25 October and by next week's meeting on 11 October the secretariat can give us a proposed structure for how to handle the meeting. It could be a case of having a different time for different sections or an agenda and timetable for the meeting. First, we will give them notice and we can come back to how we structure the meeting...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: The land aggregation agency is the Housing and Sustainable Communities Agency.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: It has schedules of every piece of land it took over from local authorities.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: If we do not get the answers on the day the witnesses will have to come back a second time. It is as simple as that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: And those responsible for the HAP.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: Or the IDA.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: A big element of that equation is the request from the approved housing bodies to the Department for their developments.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: The only reason I mention the approved housing bodies is that in my experience nearly every housing project that is under way is through an approved housing body. From my observations, more requests are going to the Department for funding from approved housing bodies than from local authorities. AHBs are the elephant in the room.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: Yes, I think they are departmental officials.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will want to deal with HAP.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: There has been a change from rent supplement to HAP. When one goes down, the other goes up. They are fundamentally the same thing.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: I know we will not go through them individually. I believe I saw somewhere yesterday that 6,000 staff are employed in the-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: Only a fraction of that number work in the housing sections of all the local authorities combined.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: Some of them are kind of dormant.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: I have no intention of getting into the plans and concepts of the individual approved housing bodies. I am interested in the funding the Department is giving approved housing bodies to do the job.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: For next week we will ask the secretariat to prepare a programme. The big issue in respect of housing - no one has mentioned it yet even though we mention it every day in this House - is the issue of homelessness. Do we keep that funding for homelessness? There is €109 million support for homelessness in 2019. We cannot do everything on the one day if we want to deal with the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: There is something else for the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform relating to pension contributions to the Exchequer. Is that the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: That needs to be addressed with the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform when its officials come in. That is on the list.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: That is the one I mentioned, and it concerns the Revenue Commissioners. People would benefit from a public discussion.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will try to schedule for officials from the Revenue Commissioners to come in as promptly as possible. If anyone has any other comments-----

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