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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: Pardon?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: The reason I ask is I have gone through the published diary of the Secretary General of the Department of Culture, Heritage and the Gaeltacht. On 1 February 2018 the Secretary General of that Department had a meeting with the Minister and the Taoiseach about the national children's science museum in the Department of the Taoiseach. That was earlier this year. I googled it last night....

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: Is Mr. Buckley aware of that meeting?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: I have just read the report. I do not see a contingent liability in the report for being on the hook for this.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: Is the Comptroller and Auditor General aware of this?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: What made Mr. Buckley go back through the planning process and Dublin City Council and An Bord Pleanála in the past couple of years if he did not have some confidence the project was going to happen somewhere?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: Suppose the OPW does not honour that commitment, what happens then? Mr. Buckley is saying they have the OPW by the hook. He would not have done this unless he was legally advised that he had to do it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: It is not in there.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: I note a parliamentary question was asked on 23 November 2017 by Deputy Eamon Ryan on this issue. The reply of the Minister of State was to the effect that the information sought by the Deputy is currently being addressed. A detailed response will issue to the Deputy directly. I have not been able to get the response in the Official Report because the reply was given by way of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: I refer to Questions Nos. 87 to 89, inclusive, of 23 November 2017. Mr. Buckley must have the reply.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: From recollection, what did it say, if that is not to push Mr. Buckley too hard?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: Has Mr. Buckley spoken to the Secretary General of the Department of Culture, Heritage and the Gaeltacht?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: What is the Secretary General saying? She is the Accounting Officer. Has she any plans for this?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: To where will the concert hall decamp when all of this is being done?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: Given it is so vague and there seems to be a legal commitment with some people because Mr. Buckley would not have gone through the planning process unless he felt it was necessary to do so. The Comptroller and Auditor General does not seem to have heard too much about it. The project is a bit of an orphan at the moment. Is there anything the Committee of Public Accounts can do? Is there...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: Of course.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: That will depend on the level of philanthropic contributions. It would alter that completely. If more can be funded by that, the cost to the Exchequer would be less and it would be easier, I am sure, from their perspective.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: I am sure from their perspective, they feel if they get off the pitch, it will be dead. It seems to me they are the only ones pushing it. They pushed the OPW to get planning. They pushed it to An Bord Pleanála. It looks as though if they were not on the pitch, we would not even be talking about it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: I wanted to raise the issue because I saw the article recently in the paper and it was a bit of a mystery. I even tried to google this national children's science centre and the company behind it but I cannot find much about it.

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