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Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

John Brady: Good afternoon again to the witnesses and I thank them for staying with us. I want to start off with the tripartite agreement between Renault Ireland Limited, RTÉ and Ryan Tubridy. Was Mr. Kelly involved in the negotiations around the content of this agreement?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

John Brady: Was Mr. Kelly involved in the negotiations on it?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

John Brady: There is very specific detail here in terms of dates. We know that, because of Covid, those dates were not honoured and then, subsequently, they were. Those dates were put in without any consultation with Mr. Kelly.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

John Brady: So it is part of the overall-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

John Brady: Hence, there was a requirement for a signature on the back, and we know that signature was not forthcoming until April of this year.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

John Brady: This contract was for one year and it was dated October 2020 to 31 December 2021. Am I right in saying that? It is on the front of it here. It is a tripartite agreement.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

John Brady: I am talking specifically about this contract here.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

John Brady: At the end of year one, was there renewed communication or renewed negotiations with regard to the continuation of years two, three, four and five?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

John Brady: There was no comprehensive negotiation with a view to extending this particular one-year contract.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

John Brady: Sorry, I am talking specifically about the tripartite agreement.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

John Brady: Mr. Tubridy's contract is a five-year contract but in that contract there is not any reference to Renault. It does not make any reference to engagements or anything like that. I am talking specifically about the legal contract which was entered into by Mr. Kelly for Mr. Tubridy.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

John Brady: Was there any renegotiation of this after year one?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

John Brady: Okay.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

John Brady: That is not contained anywhere in this document.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

John Brady: There is no mention of any commercial agreement or anything like that contained in this five-year contract. Is there?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

John Brady: No, I am asking about the five-year contract that Mr. Kelly referred to. Can he point out specifically where there is mention of a commercial arrangement or commercial agreement in the five-year contract?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

John Brady: I think Mr. Kelly is missing the point. We will move on.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

John Brady: I know they are separate agreements but Mr. Kelly is saying that this one-year agreement was contained within a five-year agreement and I am asking if he can point out specifically where there is mention of a commercial element.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

John Brady: We will move on. I refer to the six outstanding gigs that Mr. Kelly has referenced. When questioned about the two payments of €75,000, RTÉ said it was legally obliged to make those payments. Mr. Kelly is saying that with regard to the six gigs, that element has not been honoured at this stage. Is RTÉ wrong in saying it was legally obliged to make those two payments, if...

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