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Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

David Cullinane: Is Mr. McCarthy of the same view?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

David Cullinane: It must have been very high. If the percentages for this period were 56%, 50% and 55%, they must have been very high previously.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

David Cullinane: The percentages were similar. I am trying to understand why the organisation did not deal with those lapses in controls. That is what we are here to discuss. We are here to ask these questions.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

David Cullinane: I will go back to Mr. McCarthy because I am not satisfied with this response at all. It is completely disingenuous to respond that no money was misplaced. Nobody is suggesting that money was misplaced.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

David Cullinane: I am sorry, but no. I will return to Mr. McCarthy. His job is to make sure that processes are robust, that money paid out is properly accounted for, and that the processes stand up to scrutiny so that he can say that money spent was spent for the purposes for which it was intended. In these areas, he is saying that the processes were not robust enough for him to say definitively what...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

David Cullinane: He is not saying that money was not spent properly.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

David Cullinane: Is Ms Downes saying that the Comptroller and Auditor General was unfair because he was not taking into account-----

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

David Cullinane: -----that the survivors were not able to comply with the guidelines that are in place? Is that what she is saying?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

David Cullinane: I have no problem whatsoever in accepting that we are dealing with very difficult circumstances here, with individuals who were victims of institutional abuse.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

David Cullinane: In some or all cases, I understand there may be difficulties in the presentation of evidence. I am saying that, in process terms, the percentage of cases for which evidence was unavailable was not 5%, 10%, or 20%, it was 56%, 50% and 55%. That brings me to the point that Deputy Munster was making. There are a number of survivors who may get nothing. I come to those 22 survivors who...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

David Cullinane: How much is the surplus?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

David Cullinane: Are the 22 to which I referred included among that number, or are they a separate category?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

David Cullinane: Exactly.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

David Cullinane: Are those 312 people also dependent on the surplus money?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

David Cullinane: Is it that the surplus money might well be available?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

David Cullinane: I am trying to figure out to what extent that money will be available.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

David Cullinane: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

David Cullinane: I will offer an opinion on this. I appeal to the chair and to Ms Downes to look favourably on those 22 cases. Caranua should do what it can for them.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

David Cullinane: However many there might be, I think that some discretion must be used. If we need to come back and amend legislation in the Dáil, so be it, if that is necessary.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

David Cullinane: I am saying that, if that is needed, Caranua needs to tell the Department what is required so all victims actually get the supports that they need. There is an opportunity for Caranua to make an argument here. It may or may not be able to provide the necessary support through surplus funds but, if it is unable to, there is an obligation on it to say that it cannot. The legislation would...