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Public Accounts Committee: Mental Health Services - Financial Statements 2020 (10 Mar 2022)

Brian Stanley: It went to Covid-related matters. Was that with the Department's agreement?

Public Accounts Committee: Mental Health Services - Financial Statements 2020 (10 Mar 2022)

Brian Stanley: The Department fully approved that.

Public Accounts Committee: Mental Health Services - Financial Statements 2020 (10 Mar 2022)

Brian Stanley: No, I am clear enough on that. I do not want to take too much time on this. I have a question for Ms McGirr from the Department of Health. Is the Department happy with the level of oversight it has when budgets are reallocated or reassigned?

Public Accounts Committee: Mental Health Services - Financial Statements 2020 (10 Mar 2022)

Brian Stanley: The Parliamentary Budget Office produced a report in 2018. The paper examined the process of disbursal of voted expenditure under Vote 38 in the Health Service Executive's national service plan. It goes on to comment on the integrated financial management system and the delays in that regard. I raise this in the context of the considerable disquiet and frustration within the Houses of the...

Public Accounts Committee: Mental Health Services - Financial Statements 2020 (10 Mar 2022)

Brian Stanley: I thank Ms McGirr for elaborating on that. Our guests might respond very briefly to my final question. The need for an integrated financial management system was highlighted in 2014 and there have been several deadlines for its completion. The last one I heard about was for 2024. Is it still the case that our health system does not have an integrated financial management system and will...

Public Accounts Committee: Mental Health Services - Financial Statements 2020 (10 Mar 2022)

Brian Stanley: What is the completion date for the project? When will we have an all-encompassing integrated financial management system?

Public Accounts Committee: Mental Health Services - Financial Statements 2020 (10 Mar 2022)

Brian Stanley: The date for the completion of the project has been pushed out to 2026.

Public Accounts Committee: Mental Health Services - Financial Statements 2020 (10 Mar 2022)

Brian Stanley: The delay in getting that integrated financial management system in place is too long. It will take a decade and two years from the time when it was recognised it was needed to get it in place. I am sure our guests will appreciate that.

Public Accounts Committee: Mental Health Services - Financial Statements 2020 (10 Mar 2022)

Brian Stanley: Mr. Reid will appreciate it is disappointing for us to hear it will take a further two years.

Public Accounts Committee: Mental Health Services - Financial Statements 2020 (10 Mar 2022)

Brian Stanley: I thank Mr. Reid. We need to move on.

Public Accounts Committee: Mental Health Services - Financial Statements 2020 (10 Mar 2022)

Brian Stanley: I apologise to Deputy Colm Burke. I was watching the screen and I missed calling him for his slot. It is one of the problems with hybrid meetings, unfortunately.

Public Accounts Committee: Mental Health Services - Financial Statements 2020 (10 Mar 2022)

Brian Stanley: There is some crossover of audio, which we have to work around.

Public Accounts Committee: Mental Health Services - Financial Statements 2020 (10 Mar 2022)

Brian Stanley: Could the witnesses come back to the committee with a detailed note on the pipeline relating to training, graduates, etc., because we need to get a more comprehensive picture? We will break for ten minutes.

Public Accounts Committee: Mental Health Services - Financial Statements 2020 (10 Mar 2022)

Brian Stanley: I thank the Deputy and call Deputy Verona Murphy.

Public Accounts Committee: Mental Health Services - Financial Statements 2020 (10 Mar 2022)

Brian Stanley: Through the Chair, please.

Public Accounts Committee: Mental Health Services - Financial Statements 2020 (10 Mar 2022)

Brian Stanley: The next speaker is Deputy Dillon.

Public Accounts Committee: Mental Health Services - Financial Statements 2020 (10 Mar 2022)

Brian Stanley: I call Deputy Hourigan.

Public Accounts Committee: Mental Health Services - Financial Statements 2020 (10 Mar 2022)

Brian Stanley: We will ask the witnesses to clarify.

Public Accounts Committee: Mental Health Services - Financial Statements 2020 (10 Mar 2022)

Brian Stanley: If members want to come in a second time, I ask those online to signal by using the raise hand function and those in the room to raise their hands. There was a meeting with local public representatives, councillors and Deputies last week to discuss the Abbeyleix facility with HSE senior management. Mr. Curran's colleague from HSE estates was there. It was a reasonably positive meeting. In...

Public Accounts Committee: Mental Health Services - Financial Statements 2020 (10 Mar 2022)

Brian Stanley: I want Mr. Curran to come back to me on the bricks-and-mortar part. This really is a pressing issue. When places are closed it can be hard to open them again. At the meeting last week, the day-care centre in Monastrevin was mentioned as a case in point. It is really important. HSE management were present at that meeting and I do not want to misrepresent what they said. The case was made...

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