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Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: Okay. If I interrupt Ms McGeever I am not being rude. As we are all aware we are caught for time all the time. If I interrupt the witness it is purely for that. Please appreciate that. I am trying to help in this regard. I accept that this situation is not of the Tipperary ETB's making but it has to fund part of it and pay for components of this. It is rather odd that we have a...

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: Can we evaluate how much that cost is?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: How many staff does the Tipperary ETB pay for at the centre?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: How long has this been going on?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: So it has gone on for a few months.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: May I make a suggestion that may be helpful? Sometimes we can help witnesses. I propose that the committee writes to Tusla to ask for an explanation on this.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: I shall now move on to the chief executive. The witness is aware that I have asked a number of questions about head offices. In Tipperary the ETB has a head office in Nenagh and a sub office in Clonmel. Which of the two is Ms McGeever's base or office?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: Which is Ms McGeever's assigned office?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: Which is Ms McGeever's office?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: Which is Ms McGeever's assigned office, if I could put it that way?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: It is a very simple question. Which office is Ms McGeever assigned to? Everyone is assigned to some office I presume.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: The Secretary General, who is sitting in front of me, wrote to me that " ... it is the expectation and understanding of the Department that each Chief Executive would be headquartered in the head office ...". The Minister wrote to me and said that "... an estimate of time allocation would be: Nenagh (20%)". I asked the two previous witnesses, the chief executive of SOLAS and the Secretary...

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: Perhaps the Secretary General might verify if that is that case.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: The important point is about the head office. I shall move on now and maybe we could come back to that issue. Directors were appointed for ETBs across the board and three directors were appointed, like every other ETB, in Tipperary. Where are they based?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: Given that the Minister said to me the chief executive spends more time in Clonmel than in Nenagh is it not strange that we have a head office in one location and we have three people who work more out of Clonmel, out of a sub-office, than out of the head office? Is that not strange?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: Okay fair enough. That is fine. Consider, however, if the Secretary General of the Department had his assistant secretaries based all around, or if the chief management team of the head of SOLAS was not based close to him. It would be very strange if they said that that was the optimal way in which to run their organisation. It is very strange that three of the four senior staff of...

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: How many are in each location?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: The chief executive and two directors are based in Clonmel and one director is based in Nenagh. Does the staff complement of 37 include the chief executive and the directors?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: From a performance point of view, how is it optimal that a management team is not based out of head office?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: I am not asking about audits.

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