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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Affecting the Aviation Sector: Discussion (Resumed) (3 Nov 2020)

Kieran O'Donnell: What does Dr. Holohan want to see next to get to a point where he will give his qualified approval to allow flights from orange and red countries with pre-departure testing, that is, polymerase chain reaction, PCR, rapid testing in place so people can fly home at Christmas or to allow the aviation sector to get back? I want the practicalities here.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Affecting the Aviation Sector: Discussion (Resumed) (3 Nov 2020)

Kieran O'Donnell: I am asking if Dr. Holohan will allow-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Affecting the Aviation Sector: Discussion (Resumed) (3 Nov 2020)

Kieran O'Donnell: Will Dr. Holohan allow people with pre-departure testing and, let us say, the test after five days' quarantine here, particularly, with orange countries and with red countries to travel? Will he allow that to take place?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Affecting the Aviation Sector: Discussion (Resumed) (3 Nov 2020)

Kieran O'Donnell: I believe Dr. Holohan is.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Affecting the Aviation Sector: Discussion (Resumed) (3 Nov 2020)

Kieran O'Donnell: It will be metrics Dr. Holohan looks at.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Affecting the Aviation Sector: Discussion (Resumed) (3 Nov 2020)

Kieran O'Donnell: What, for instance, will be the bottom-line metrics for Dr. Holohan? Will he allow a country with a higher rate, let us say, that is no longer a red country and which has a higher rate than Ireland? Will he allow people to return to Ireland with pre-departure testing in place?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Affecting the Aviation Sector: Discussion (Resumed) (3 Nov 2020)

Kieran O'Donnell: In summary, Dr. Holohan is not ruling it out based on-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Affecting the Aviation Sector: Discussion (Resumed) (3 Nov 2020)

Kieran O'Donnell: The Government will announce the implementation of the traffic light system on 8 November. What is Dr. Holohan's advice, with that in mind? We are now only a couple of days out from that announcement. Has NPHET given advice to the Government?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Affecting the Aviation Sector: Discussion (Resumed) (3 Nov 2020)

Kieran O'Donnell: What is the advice of NPHET?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Affecting the Aviation Sector: Discussion (Resumed) (3 Nov 2020)

Kieran O'Donnell: When will we reach a point that, with certain conditions and controls in place around testing, NPHET will state that we can proceed to allow people to fly home for Christmas?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Affecting the Aviation Sector: Discussion (Resumed) (3 Nov 2020)

Kieran O'Donnell: Dr. Holohan is not telling us what has been NPHET's advice to Government. He is giving us broad strokes. What was the specific advice? NPHET's role is to advise the Government. We are here, as a committee, because the aviation sector is in severe trouble. People wish to fly home for Christmas and we want to include controls to facilitate that. What is NPHET's advice? Dr. Holohan is...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Affecting the Aviation Sector: Discussion (Resumed) (3 Nov 2020)

Kieran O'Donnell: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Affecting the Aviation Sector: Discussion (Resumed) (3 Nov 2020)

Kieran O'Donnell: When does Dr. Holohan expect to be able to give that advice to the Government?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Affecting the Aviation Sector: Discussion (Resumed) (3 Nov 2020)

Kieran O'Donnell: Dr. Holohan mentioned "sustainable low levels of domestic transmission" in his opening statement. What is that? Can he define it in terms of metrics, and what is it that he will be looking for in this regard? Will we come out of lockdown on 1 December 2020 and if so, what level of restrictions will we move to? I am of the view that the public are entitled to have an idea of what exactly...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Affecting the Aviation Sector: Discussion (Resumed) (3 Nov 2020)

Kieran O'Donnell: Key metrics, obviously. The R rate is-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Affecting the Aviation Sector: Discussion (Resumed) (3 Nov 2020)

Kieran O'Donnell: So, for the ordinary person looking at them, they can see the progress we are making. This virus has been very difficult for people, particularly the elderly.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Affecting the Aviation Sector: Discussion (Resumed) (3 Nov 2020)

Kieran O'Donnell: They must see light at the end of the tunnel.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Affecting the Aviation Sector: Discussion (Resumed) (3 Nov 2020)

Kieran O'Donnell: They need to understand the metrics on which Dr. Holohan makes judgments: the values, the R rate, the number of cases, and the seven and 14-day incidence rates. The ordinary person is now becoming familiar with those metrics. I ask Dr. Holohan to elaborate on that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Affecting the Aviation Sector: Discussion (Resumed) (3 Nov 2020)

Kieran O'Donnell: Will we come out of lockdown on 1 December?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Affecting the Aviation Sector: Discussion (Resumed) (3 Nov 2020)

Kieran O'Donnell: The ordinary person is using it.

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