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Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Business of Joint Committee (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: On what grounds has the Chair made that decision?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Business of Joint Committee (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: Did the Chairman mention advocacy groups?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Business of Joint Committee (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: No. There is but point noted.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Business of Joint Committee (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: For my own information, what I am noting is that I do not expect advocacy groups, that is, those having no involvement with political parties, to be here.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Business of Joint Committee (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: What is the issue? I raised a question about advocacy groups. Advocacy was mentioned.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Business of Joint Committee (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: I had indicated.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Business of Joint Committee (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: I thank the Chairman. I too believe that Professor McCaffrey's letter should be read into the record. I ask this in regard to Professor Casey as well and also Both Lives Matter. I am proposing that they be read into the record. I want to make that proposal to the committee here today. I also take issue with the Chairman saying that it is a pity that we cannot get witnesses. We have to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Business of Joint Committee (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: May I continue? I am making my point that I believe that it was the secretariat, with the Chairman, who should have secured the attendance of the witnesses. We are in a situation now that the Chairman has described as a pity. Why should we be surprised? We took a premature vote here and we did change the intent. I agree with Deputy Durkan. It will be the electorate that will make the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Business of Joint Committee (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: The proposal was that we read into the record-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Business of Joint Committee (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: -----the letters from Professor McCaffrey and Both Lives Count.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Business of Joint Committee (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: Why is it not a matter for the committee?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Business of Joint Committee (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: Sorry-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Business of Joint Committee (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: I have made a proposal.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Business of Joint Committee (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: I have made a proposal and I want to vote on it. I am calling a vote.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Business of Joint Committee (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: Where has democracy gone?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Business of Joint Committee (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: Where is the democracy?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Business of Joint Committee (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: How can you say, Chair, that we cannot have a vote? I am calling a vote. We invited this person-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Business of Joint Committee (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: Why not?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Business of Joint Committee (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: Where is the democracy?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Business of Joint Committee (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: I am proposing that we have a vote on it. I called the vote and it was seconded by Senator Mullen.

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