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Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission
(7 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: Okay. GSOC is very much dependent on the co-operation of the Garda. I do not want to go back into the case because the GSOC representatives went through it at length with Deputy Carthy, but because GSOC depends on that level of co-operation and assistance from An Garda Síochána, it would seem that it is possible in some cases for the hands of its staff to be tied. In other words,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission
(7 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: I know Mr. Justice MacCabe has to be careful. I take it from what he has said about cultural change that until reasonably recently - perhaps two or three years ago - there were difficulties getting that level of co-operation. Most observers would concur with his suggestion that a cultural shift is happening. Perhaps up to the fairly recent past, there would have been many difficulties.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission
(7 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: Finally, on the new legislation, Mr. Justice MacCabe said in his opening statement that some of the challenges faced by GSOC arise from the mandate under which it operates, but this is likely to change in the shape of the new broad reforms to be proposed in the policing, security and community safety Bill. It was outlined earlier that the Commissioner has described the new proposals as...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission
(7 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: Just one moment please, while I see who has indicated. This is one of the problems with the hybrid model that we operate. Deputy James O'Connor was online before the break, but I do not see him there now. In that case, does Deputy Catherine Murphy want to come back in?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission
(7 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: She has five minutes, and we will just play it along.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission
(7 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: I ask any members who have not come in already and would like to do so to indicate by using the raise the hand signal. I call Deputy Hourigan for her second round of questioning.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission
(7 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: In that case, I will continue on the new Bill. Our guests have outlined that they welcome the Bill because it will help GSOC to be more independent and will strengthen the organisation. At the moment, what one power that it does not have and which it most needs to be able to do its job will GSOC have if the Bill, as it is drafted, passes? Are there one or two such issues on which our...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission
(7 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: Mr. Justice MacCabe welcomes the Bill generally. What is the single biggest change it will bring about to strengthen GSOC?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission
(7 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: What is the biggest fence GSOC has to jump at the moment?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission
(7 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: For members of the public making a complaint, GSOC has to decide whether it is admissible or not. Where should they go in the first instance with a complaint?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission
(7 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: On the 10% who do not come to GSOC, would some go to a Garda station first?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission
(7 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: Going back to the PULSE system, has GSOC identified examples where members leaked information from that system?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission
(7 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: Has GSOC not identified any cases where they leaked information?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission
(7 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: Have their been investigations into it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission
(7 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: On the cancellation of 999 calls, what role has GSOC had there? Are there investigations into gardaí or have any gardaí of any rank been held accountable for that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission
(7 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: Is Mr. Hume saying the Policing Authority is looking after that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission
(7 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: It is more of a systemic problem, as opposed to maybe------

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission
(7 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: Investigations into disciplinary cases is supposed to be wrapped up in 16 to 20 weeks. Is that happening?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission
(7 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: There is seven months lost. We will take that. Outside of that, will Mr. Hume cast his mind back to pre July last year? Are those investigations being completed in the 16- to 20-week period. I refer to the disciplinary investigations not supervised by GSOC but carried out internally by An Garda Síochána of officers. Was that happening?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission
(7 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: GSOC had to go up the ranks in An Garda Síochána and someone more senior, maybe a chief superintendent, would have to intervene.

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