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Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: Right. Okay.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: I hope that Mr. Tubridy can put the feather back in the pillow.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: The payments of €75,000 for the second and third year were paid by RTÉ.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: Yes, but RTÉ made those payments to Astus.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: Yes, but they came from RTÉ.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: Yes, but that is what I am saying.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: The witnesses know now in hindsight.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: Whether Mr. Kelly knew at the time is another question, but he knows now that RTÉ paid those payments. That was my question to Mr. Tubridy initially about the tripartite agreement making up for the 20%. Even if he disputes that, which is fair enough-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: Okay.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: Yes. Just in relation to that, now that Mr. Tubridy knows that RTÉ paid for those payments, does he accept that it was wrong of RTÉ to use the public purse to pay that?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: Okay. So Mr. Tubridy accepts that it was wrong for RTÉ to pay those top-ups out of the public purse.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: Okay. That is fair enough. I want to ask Mr. Kelly a question. I find it very hard to believe or I just do not find it credible that he said earlier this morning that RTÉ initiated this whole deal – that RTÉ was the instigator of this tripartite deal. I cannot figure out why, if his client was the only one to benefit from such a deal, RTÉ would be the one to...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: I have just told Mr. Kelly that Italy had already gone into lockdown in February. These emails were going back and forth in February, and Mr. Kelly had requested that RTÉ would underwrite the agreement. He told us that this morning. He had requested that RTÉ would lock the agreement and that it would be the fall guy if any sponsor pulled out or in the event of a lack of any other...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: But Renault did just have a one-year agreement.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: But RTÉ had underwritten that agreement at Mr. Kelly's request.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: Does it not sound more plausible, given that Mr. Kelly's client was the only one to benefit and we were coming into Covid, that he sought, asked and negotiated that RTÉ would underwrite the agreement? It is responsible for underwriting it and all the shenanigans we have seen since, but at the end of the day Mr. Kelly had asked it.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: I have only a couple of seconds left so I will ask one final question of Mr. Kelly. When RTÉ published the salaries, in particular his client's salary, he knew that it was not correct, as such.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: He would have checked the published figures. Even for the sake of his own client, optically, why did he not raise the fact that he was being misrepresented? What did he do about that?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: But Mr. Kelly did not call it out after it was published.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: But not publicly. It would have saved Mr. Kelly's client a lot of hassle, and having to explain. Mr. Kelly did not-----

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