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Situation in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territory: Statements (13 Jul 2023)

John Brady: On 3 July the Israeli military began its largest and most violent raid on the heavily-populated Jenin refugee camp in the West Bank in over 20 years. Its forces came with tanks, planes, missiles and killer drones. They killed at least a dozen people, displaced thousands and, according to the deputy governor of Jenin, they destroyed, burned or damaged at least 80% of homes in the refugee...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

John Brady: Not to labour the point, but I think it would be useful if we could get a copy of the content of Ms O'Leary's exit package, since she has taken early retirement.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

John Brady: I welcome our guests, many of whom have been here before. Mr. Bakhurst has not. I welcome him to the committee and wish him well in his future endeavours. I would like this meeting to be about the future of RTÉ, about re-instilling public confidence in the national broadcaster and about the culture, governance and oversight. Unfortunately, to get there, we need to deal with these...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

John Brady: Please be brief.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

John Brady: Were those emails shared with Grant Thornton when it initiated its review?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

John Brady: They were. There was a lot of talk in those emails about different meetings that took place with different individuals. Is there a full record of who attended all the meetings referred to?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

John Brady: We do not know who was at it. No minutes were taken that we know of. Was Ms Mullooly or anyone from legal affairs at any of those meetings?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

John Brady: Will the notes from the meetings the person from legal affairs attended be furnished to the committee?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

John Brady: Ms Mullooly said the email was circulated. Who was it circulated to?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

John Brady: Mr. Lynch said that he did not see it.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

John Brady: Yes, four days before the testimony given by Ms O'Keeffe.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

John Brady: Mr. Lynch sat in the meeting while Ms O'Keeffe gave very convincing testimony that there was absolutely no desire by RTÉ to give guarantees or to give a side letter. He knew that narrative was being challenged by Mr. Tubridy and Mr. Kelly and he did not feel it was necessary to give the information that the narrative being portrayed by Ms O'Keeffe was being challenged.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

John Brady: It is clear now from the revelation of these emails. The people who are copied, including Dee Forbes, Jim Jennings and Breda O'Keeffe, referred to the meetings and we have no knowledge who attended those meetings. There was an attempt to portray this as some sort of situation where people were operating in silos, that nobody, bar one person, had all the information. That was certainly not...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

John Brady: The critical information with respect to the commercial agreement of €75,000 is the notion and assurances given, that contained in those emails, that RTÉ - "we" - would issue a side letter and the number of people who were copied in on that critical information shows there was not a situation of people operating in silos. Key people in key roles at the top of the organisation knew...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

John Brady: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

John Brady: I will move on because I am conscious of time. I will talk about the two payments of €75,000 that were paid out by RTÉ. It has now been stated, and we know factually, there was no contract for years two and three. We know invoices were issued using the terminology "consultancy fee". We know from the Grant Thornton report that no consultancy was provided by either the agent or...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

John Brady: Sorry, Mr. Lynch. Can I just get to the crux of it here?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

John Brady: Mr. Tubridy and his agent were paid out for services that were not provided, essentially. Mr. Tubridy said that, if asked, he will pay back that €150,000 to RTÉ. When previously challenged on why RTÉ paid out those payments, it said it was based on legal advice. What is now the position of RTÉ? Has RTÉ asked Mr. Tubridy and his agent to repay that...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

John Brady: Why not?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

John Brady: I want to ask a question about the payments from 2017 to 2019 and the €120,000, and I know there is an ongoing process on that. RTÉ might give us an update on where that is because it appears that payment was not made to Ryan Tubridy. Would I be correct in saying that?

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