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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Jonathan O'Brien: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Jonathan O'Brien: The work and training programme is at 70% capacity. The participation figure provided in the annual report is a snapshot from last November, but I presume it is usually in or around that anyway.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Jonathan O'Brien: It is not solely due to prisoners not wanting to take part.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Jonathan O'Brien: There are other factors preventing their participation.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Jonathan O'Brien: Is that an issue for the Prison Service or the Department?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Jonathan O'Brien: What is the education participation rate?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Jonathan O'Brien: That rate is due to staffing and not necessarily to prisoners not taking up educational opportunities.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Jonathan O'Brien: Is there a waiting list of prisoners who wish to participate in the work, training and education programmes but cannot do so because of other factors, for example, staffing?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Jonathan O'Brien: It is done with the ETBs.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Jonathan O'Brien: Will Ms McCaffrey outline the basic, standard and enhanced incentivised regimes? The annual report tells us the number of prisoners engaged in each regime. I presume the prisoner gets 95 cent, or is that the cost? The enhanced regime's figure is €2.20. This is on page 24. Ms McCaffrey can revert to us. I am not-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Jonathan O'Brien: It is based on a prisoner's behaviour.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Jonathan O'Brien: If the prisoner behaves extremely well and follows every rule, he or she gets an enhanced gratuity.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Jonathan O'Brien: I was not aware of that. I am sure the Chairman will stop me if I overstep, but I wish to ask about direct provision. This does not relate to the Prison Service, but we have the Department of Justice and Equality in attendance and I want to ask one or two questions about direct provision. If I am not allowed, I will ask them in a roundabout way through the Prison Service.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Jonathan O'Brien: That is fine. My questions are on the direct provision centres. My understanding is that their residents do not have access to the Ombudsman. Actually, they do, but they must take their complaints to their centres' managers first. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Jonathan O'Brien: Here is the difficulty I have with direct provision. The majority of direct provision centres are privately run, so I presume a public official or civil servant would not be the manager of a particular facility. It will be someone employed by a private company and a person would have to go through this individual before he or she would be allowed to access the Ombudsman. We need to look at...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Jonathan O'Brien: Mr. O'Driscoll can send me a note.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Jonathan O'Brien: The same question applies to the Irish Prison Service. Do prisoners have direct access to the Ombudsman or must they go through the governor of the prison first with regard to their complaint?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Jonathan O'Brien: What kind of complaints would go to the Ombudsman?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Jonathan O'Brien: If a prisoner makes a complaint regarding an inappropriate search, is it correct that this would have to go to the governor first? Would the prisoner have to exhaust all the internal avenues?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Jonathan O'Brien: Are there any figures? I know Ms McCaffrey does not have them with her but I would be interested in getting them at some stage through correspondence. Do we have figures relating to complaints that have been made to governors or through the internal system that would be upheld on behalf of the prisoner?

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