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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Developing a Legal Framework for Assisted Dying: Discussion (11 Jul 2023)

Rónán Mullen: I have a last question for Professor Jones. Public opinion polls, not just in Ireland but also in other places, seem to suggest a wide acceptance of assisted dying, assisted suicide or euthanasia - call it whatever you wish. Does that not reflect an inevitable ethical shift in people's thinking?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Developing a Legal Framework for Assisted Dying: Discussion (11 Jul 2023)

Rónán Mullen: Professor Madden is saying that in the end, the ethical considerations must give way to the law and whatever the law is. Am I right in thinking that what she is saying is that doctors' perception of what is ethical may have to give way? Surely we must determine what is ethical and come to some kind of consensus on it before we can determine what is or should be lawful. To be blunt, is that...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Developing a Legal Framework for Assisted Dying: Discussion (11 Jul 2023)

Rónán Mullen: Does Professor Madden mean that she does not think that medical people's ethics should determine it? Would she not agree with me that it is the job of this committee to try to come to an agreement about what is ethical in each given situation and only on the basis of what we think is ethical to recommend a legal framework or indeed no change in the law? Is it not what we consider in our...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Developing a Legal Framework for Assisted Dying: Discussion (11 Jul 2023)

Rónán Mullen: What is right or wrong.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Developing a Legal Framework for Assisted Dying: Discussion (11 Jul 2023)

Rónán Mullen: Let us all say we came to an agreement that we think this is unethical for all sorts of reasons as to its impact on society. We could not credibly say we all think this is unethical but nonetheless we recommend a change in the law because not everybody would agree with us.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Developing a Legal Framework for Assisted Dying: Discussion (11 Jul 2023)

Rónán Mullen: I want to clarify. I got mixed up with my dates at the start and I suggested that New Zealand had introduced euthanasia in some form in 2017. It was only in 2021. In Victoria it was 2019. I suppose it goes to the point that this is all very early there. I would put it to our speakers that it is so recent that there is really no telling whether safeguards put in actually work, whereas if...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Developing a Legal Framework for Assisted Dying: Discussion (11 Jul 2023)

Rónán Mullen: I just do not understand how Professor Madden could say it is just a small minority if she does not see a distinction between a person refusing treatment and a person being entitled to ask for help. I put it to both Professor Donnelly and Professor Madden, why do they believe we should just be talking about a small minority if they feel that people should have a right to have their lives ended?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Developing a Legal Framework for Assisted Dying: Discussion (11 Jul 2023)

Rónán Mullen: We can aim for it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Developing a Legal Framework for Assisted Dying: Discussion (11 Jul 2023)

Rónán Mullen: Some are more equal than others.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Developing a Legal Framework for Assisted Dying: Discussion (11 Jul 2023)

Rónán Mullen: I am not sure, but I think New Zealand might be 2017. Others may confirm whether I am accurate about that. Is Professor Jones's case that this is in countries where it is longer established?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Developing a Legal Framework for Assisted Dying: Discussion (11 Jul 2023)

Rónán Mullen: I want to probe further on that. I have heard some say that we are talking about the New Zealand or Victoria model, which has a narrow scope of eligibility, such as a terminal illness or a certain predicted period of life ban, to put it crudely. There is also the suggestion that the numbers do not always really go up, or if they do it is because there was a backlog waiting for legalisation.

Seanad: Broadcasting (Restriction of Salaries) Bill 2023: Second Stage (5 Jul 2023)

Rónán Mullen: I move: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time." The Bill we are discussing this evening is not a knee-jerk reaction to the controversy that has broken out in and about RTÉ in recent weeks. The payment of RTÉ celebrity top talent has been a controversial topic for many years for the obvious reason that RTÉ gets most of its money from ordinary people by way of the television...

Seanad: Broadcasting (Restriction of Salaries) Bill 2023: Second Stage (5 Jul 2023)

Rónán Mullen: They have moved from scoring points to scoring own goals at this point. I thank the Minister for attending this debate and for agreeing that it is an important and timely debate. I also want to thank my colleagues Senators Keogan, Byrne, Carrigy, Warfield, Sherlock, Craughwell and McDowell for contributing. Thankfully, we do not use terminology like "top talent" here in the Seanad. We are...

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (4 Jul 2023)

Rónán Mullen: I propose an amendment to the Order of Business, that No. 7 should not be brought to a conclusion at 5.15 p.m. by the putting of a question but should instead be adjourned. There is a strong tradition of opposing the guillotine in this House. It would be disgraceful for the Government to push for a guillotine on any legislation, but especially the Judicial Appointments Commission Bill, when...

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (4 Jul 2023)

Rónán Mullen: Yes.

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (4 Jul 2023)

Rónán Mullen: They look like Ireland's fittest family.

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (4 Jul 2023)

Rónán Mullen: I request a walk-through vote.

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (4 Jul 2023)

Rónán Mullen: Under Standing Order 83(3)(b) I propose that the vote be taken by other than electronic means.

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