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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying, Legal and Constitutional Context: Discussion (13 Jun 2023)

Rónán Mullen: I am just conscious of the time. I am trying to get to the question of whether, given the fact that the word "right" is used, it is thought that there is some kind of right to suicide that someone might interfere with by preventing the suicide. In the case of the more direct act of euthanasia where a person would end someone's life at the latter's request, what law would be broken? Would...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying, Legal and Constitutional Context: Discussion (13 Jun 2023)

Rónán Mullen: No. I meant a right to suicide. Is there a non-constitutional right to suicide?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying, Legal and Constitutional Context: Discussion (13 Jun 2023)

Rónán Mullen: Do I interfere with someone's right if I prevent him or her from committing suicide? I know this is a delicate area but this is what we have to do.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying, Legal and Constitutional Context: Discussion (13 Jun 2023)

Rónán Mullen: Have I time to ask a further question?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying, Legal and Constitutional Context: Discussion (13 Jun 2023)

Rónán Mullen: I wish to ask something so that I understand the matter correctly. Ms Gibney is not telling us what to do – as she stated, it is our job to decide – but does she recommend a change in the law in this area?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying, Legal and Constitutional Context: Discussion (13 Jun 2023)

Rónán Mullen: Regarding equality, the commission is saying that disability on its own terms should be excluded as grounds for whatever happens, that is, assisted dying should not be available solely on grounds of disability. If so, would that not raise equality issues were it to be legalised for some categories of people but not for others?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying, Legal and Constitutional Context: Discussion (13 Jun 2023)

Rónán Mullen: I want to return to some of the issues that have been raised and perhaps the witnesses will come in on them. My first question is for Ms Woods from the Department of Justice. My impression from a long time back is that when the law was changed on suicide in some ways it was about trying to alleviate the pain and suffering of families and to deal with the stigma in that area without, at the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying, Legal and Constitutional Context: Discussion (13 Jun 2023)

Rónán Mullen: Ms Gibney said we may well come to the point where we make a recommendation to change the law. I do not wish to put words in her mouth, but she does not seem to say we may come to a point where the commission recommends against change.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying, Legal and Constitutional Context: Discussion (13 Jun 2023)

Rónán Mullen: Or not?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying, Legal and Constitutional Context: Discussion (13 Jun 2023)

Rónán Mullen: Absolutely. If the commission got to the point where it recommended a change in the law, the equality issues I raised just now would come very much to the fore. It is entirely for Ms Gibney to recommend a change or not to do so. However, were she to recommend a change, it seems those equality issues would be very much in play.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying, Legal and Constitutional Context: Discussion (13 Jun 2023)

Rónán Mullen: May I get an answer to the other question at some point? It may not be now.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying, Legal and Constitutional Context: Discussion (13 Jun 2023)

Rónán Mullen: I am sorry to interrupt. Is now the time for me to ask for an answer to the first of the supplementary questions I asked?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying, Legal and Constitutional Context: Discussion (13 Jun 2023)

Rónán Mullen: I do not have anything further to say except that I had asked a question about-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying, Legal and Constitutional Context: Discussion (13 Jun 2023)

Rónán Mullen: I asked whether I would face any civil or criminal sanction if I were to interfere with a person's right to do what is permitted in the area of suicide in a way that would differ from other things that a person might be permitted to do.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying, Legal and Constitutional Context: Discussion (13 Jun 2023)

Rónán Mullen: Or a civil action.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying, Legal and Constitutional Context: Discussion (13 Jun 2023)

Rónán Mullen: An bhfuil an t-am agam?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying, Legal and Constitutional Context: Discussion (13 Jun 2023)

Rónán Mullen: That is very helpful but I will come back on a point. It seems clear that Ms Gibney is saying it can be done, subject to other measures, but that IHREC is not at the point where it is recommending it. What I am hearing is that it seems less likely it will recommend against a change in the law from everything Ms Gibney has said today. Would that be fair? No, it would not. As the chief...

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (1 Jun 2023)

Rónán Mullen: Go raibh míle maith agat, a Chathaoirligh. Tiocfaidh mé ar ais tar éis an sos, ach I would like to get a debate with the Minister for Education on the proposed reduction in the draft new curriculum for primary schools in the allocation of time to the teaching of Irish. There is great concern about that. There is more which needs to be said about it, but I wanted to get my...

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (1 Jun 2023)

Rónán Mullen: Tá fáilte romhaibh.

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (1 Jun 2023)

Rónán Mullen: Do they still do homework in schools?

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