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Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: It is proven.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: Is it bogged down in bureaucracy?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: I would be grateful if Ms McPhillips would because it is something we could-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: Before we finish, I would like to ask about the budget for the domestic violence refuges. There are nine counties, including Laois and Offaly, that do not have even a single bed, despite all of the attendant difficulties which public representatives and others come across. What is the current situation with the budget? Am I correct to say there are only 140 beds in the State? That is very low.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: Has it fully transferred over?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: It is coming.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: Is there any indication of what kind of budget there is for providing new beds?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: I understand the Istanbul Convention recommended that for a State with 4.9 million people there should be 490 beds. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: It is a huge problem in the nine counties, and Laois and Offaly are the counties I am most familiar with. When victims of domestic violence leave, often taking children with them, they are sent 60 or 70 miles away across two or three counties to a refuge. Their children are taken away from schools, from social workers and, very importantly, from family support, the GP and all other...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: I ask the Department to come back to us with a note on the plan for rolling out domestic violence refuges in those nine counties. Offaly has a different plan, by the way, although I do not want to go into it in detail. Offaly has a plan that involves three locations and it is trying to operate a different system for domestic violence. That is the plan going forward and it has been shared...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: The domestic violence services are there but with all the advice, information and supports they give, they are absolutely stretched to the limit. They got some extra money recently, which is welcome, but we are overdrawn on people's goodwill.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: That is all I would say to Ms McPhillips. We need to provide those spaces. I would say the same to Ms McPhillips with restorative justice. Do not let it all get bogged down in bureaucracy in the Department. I first raised this issue in 1999. It is going on too long. Other people have raised it as well. We need to get on and do it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: I know that. The Department is getting it though.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: I would be grateful if Ms McPhillips could give us some projections on progress on it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: I thank the witnesses of both the Prison Service and the Department of Justice and thank their staff for the work involved in preparing for today's meeting. I also thank the Comptroller and Auditor General and his staff for attending and assisting the committee. Is it agreed that we request the clerk to the committee to seek any follow-up information and carry out actions agreed at the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: The business before us this afternoon is as follows: minutes, accounts and financial statements, correspondence, work programme, and any other business. We will then go into private session briefly before adjourning. The first item is the minutes of our meetings of 31 March and 7 April, which have been circulated to members. Do members wish to raise any matters in relation to the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: Obviously, that is going by the figures given by NewERA. The rationale for the car is set out as well in the correspondence.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: We will seek an answer from the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform to that. It is a vital fact that NewERA recommended the approval and granted the proposed salary of €180,773.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: We will consider that as part of the work programme. The next correspondence is No. 1154B. It is from Ms Bernie McNally, Secretary General of the Department of Education, and is dated 29 March. It provides information requested by the committee regarding funding for disability services and related Department of Education expenditure for transporting children to avail of the services. It...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Apr 2022)

Brian Stanley: That is agreed. It was flagged by Deputy Carthy for discussion.

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