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Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: I thank Mr. Healy.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: Therein lies the difficulty. Please, there is no need for any further expansive narrative because here we go again; the onus was left on the family to make the call. That is a derogation of your duty. Irrespective of what the family thought, there was a responsibility on the State and on the authorities to protect this woman. She is a woman at this stage. She entered the care arrangement...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: Would Mr. O'Brien accept that it was not the responsibility of Ann's family to intervene in this matter and that ultimately the HSE and Mr. O'Brien's predecessor had the authority and the obligation to do that?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: Then what letter did Ann get?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: Yes. What is Mr. O'Brien's point? Is it his contention that in Ann's case there was not an absence of necessary protocols and arrangements to support her placement?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: Can we clarify that what Mr. O'Brien has conceded here he concedes in respect of all the persons concerned, including Ann?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: Has Mr. O'Brien legal advice to that effect?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: I would like to see that and I would query that very strongly.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: There is also a distinction in respect of the family concerned, and this is where the HSE has laid the emphasis, regarding a minor and regarding a person reaching the age of 18 and over. In that balance, it is very clear that Mr. O'Brien has tried to pass off Ann's case as being a flaw, a fault or a bad decision of her family. That is wrong and Mr. O'Brien is wrong to have presented it in...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: I think it is very clear from Mr. O'Brien's statement that he has laid the-----

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: We will agree to disagree but Mr. O'Brien's opening statement is on the public record. Others can, therefore, adjudicate on the matter.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: How many formal apologies does the HSE issue in any given year?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: Would that have the status-----

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: How would Mr. O'Brien rate this particular official apology?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: No, the one that was due to Grace, on a scale of one to ten, with one being an apology for a cancelled appointment. By the way, people generally do not get an apology for a cancelled appointment. They usually get a note telling them that the procedure has been cancelled.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: A high-scale apology. How many of those are made in any given year?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: I would say very, very, very few. I would say it is rare. Does Mr. O'Brien agree with me?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: Who decides that a high-level official apology is due?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: Mr. Healy made the decision that a high-level apology was due. Mr. O'Brien has given a kind of a garbled account, as I heard it, in respect of teleconferences, conversations and so on discussing the need for this high-level official apology and how it might be made.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: Work commenced on 4 March 2015.

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