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Public Accounts Committee: Report on Reopening of Garda Stations: Acting Garda Commissioner (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: On a point of order Chairman, is that station one of the six?

Public Accounts Committee: Report on Reopening of Garda Stations: Acting Garda Commissioner (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: That just does not add up. How can the acting Garda Commissioner say that no decision has been made on six, but that a decision has been made on one of the six?

Public Accounts Committee: Report on Reopening of Garda Stations: Acting Garda Commissioner (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: This does not add up, Chairman. The question was not answered.

Public Accounts Committee: Report on Reopening of Garda Stations: Acting Garda Commissioner (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: What date was this?

Public Accounts Committee: Report on Reopening of Garda Stations: Acting Garda Commissioner (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: I want to get a clarification because-----

Public Accounts Committee: Report on Reopening of Garda Stations: Acting Garda Commissioner (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: We have established the criteria, which is fine. The witness verified, following my question, that a process is being followed. There is documentation that is all date stamped. It will not be recreated but is all there. Obviously, it came through the process to the Commissioner and the decision was made. I presume that in the case of Dublin the Assistant Garda Commissioner, Pat Leahy,...

Public Accounts Committee: Report on Reopening of Garda Stations: Acting Garda Commissioner (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: All I wish to do is verify that it came all the way through the process and through all the people. The witness is basically saying it was from the ground up. It is good to know it is the local gardaí. It came up through all the ranks to Assistant Garda Commissioner Leahy and further.

Public Accounts Committee: Report on Reopening of Garda Stations: Acting Garda Commissioner (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is fine. I seek a last clarification. The witness said earlier to Deputy Bourke - Chairman, this needs another date - that there was an interim interim report. Can we get the date of the interim interim report so we can follow this through? On 9 July, the report was sent to the Department. On 13 July, there was a big mass of bunting out in Stepaside.

Public Accounts Committee: Report on Reopening of Garda Stations: Acting Garda Commissioner (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: Sorry, it was June. There was the big mass of bunting when the Government announced this single station. On what date was the interim report concluded and when was it submitted to the Government? Mr. Nugent might wish to make a second telephone call, but that information is critical.

Public Accounts Committee: Report on Reopening of Garda Stations: Acting Garda Commissioner (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: However, the acting Garda Commissioner, in response to Deputy Bourke, said that before that there was an interim-----

Public Accounts Committee: Report on Reopening of Garda Stations: Acting Garda Commissioner (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: That then went up the line to the Department.

Public Accounts Committee: Report on Reopening of Garda Stations: Acting Garda Commissioner (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: So it was not an interim report.

Public Accounts Committee: Report on Reopening of Garda Stations: Acting Garda Commissioner (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: It was not an interim interim report.

Public Accounts Committee: Report on Reopening of Garda Stations: Acting Garda Commissioner (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: It did not contain any recommendations or the like.

Public Accounts Committee: Report on Reopening of Garda Stations: Acting Garda Commissioner (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: Perhaps we could have the exact date of that.

Public Accounts Committee: Report on Reopening of Garda Stations: Acting Garda Commissioner (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: I have a question for Mr. Nugent about what he said about wider consultation. As a committee, we accept that there must be wider consultation in relation to resources, but can we presume that the head of human resource management is fully consulted in all of these decisions?

Public Accounts Committee: Report on Reopening of Garda Stations: Acting Garda Commissioner (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Nugent is the chief administrative officer, CAO, and I presume, in terms of line management, he reports to the acting Garda Commissioner. I presume that the head of human resources, HR, was also consulted because there is no point in reopening Garda stations if one does have staff. I presume that in the preparation of the interim reports and through all of this, the head of HR was fully...

Public Accounts Committee: Report on Reopening of Garda Stations: Acting Garda Commissioner (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: An Garda Síochána has a head of HR. I am looking for a "Yes" or "No" answer. If he was not-----

Public Accounts Committee: Report on Reopening of Garda Stations: Acting Garda Commissioner (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: I ask the acting Garda Commissioner if he will ask the head of HR to confirm to this committee that, in relation to both interim reports, the head of HR was fully consulted and will make a statement to that effect.

Public Accounts Committee: Report on Reopening of Garda Stations: Acting Garda Commissioner (28 Sep 2017)

Alan Kelly: I ask that he would revert to the committee on it.

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