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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of Animal Health and Welfare (Amendment) Bill 2021: Discussion (15 Jul 2021)

Charlie McConalogue: If I may, Chairman, I wish to make a number of introductory remarks to thank both the Chairman and the joint committee for facilitating the pre-legislative scrutiny on this Bill within a very good timeframe, which I appreciate. As the Chairman has outlined this is a unique initiative and action in respect of the closing down of a sector which emanates from a commitment in the programme for...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of Animal Health and Welfare (Amendment) Bill 2021: Discussion (15 Jul 2021)

Charlie McConalogue: I thank Deputy Fitzmaurice, I will respond at the outset and will then ask Mr. Greally to respond. The approach being taken here is very much informed by reports we have commissioned from outside expert advice through Grant Thornton on what an appropriate compensation scheme would be and to also take on board what has happened previously internationally because there have been significant...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of Animal Health and Welfare (Amendment) Bill 2021: Discussion (15 Jul 2021)

Charlie McConalogue: Through the Chairman, I ask Mr. Greally to come in here at this point, please.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of Animal Health and Welfare (Amendment) Bill 2021: Discussion (15 Jul 2021)

Charlie McConalogue: I thank the Deputy for those questions. The report has advised us based previous experience. I ask Mr. Greally to elaborate on and explain the rationale behind that part of the process. This meeting is intended to allow us to tease this matter out and to take on board the views of the members of this committee. I will hand over to Mr. Greally.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of Animal Health and Welfare (Amendment) Bill 2021: Discussion (15 Jul 2021)

Charlie McConalogue: I thank Senator Boyhan for that comprehensive overview of his assessment of the situation. I will first address one point he made with regard to Government having a majority and driving things through and that being very frustrating. This is an issue on which I am consulting with the committee and on which I am listening. It is a unique issue and one-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of Animal Health and Welfare (Amendment) Bill 2021: Discussion (15 Jul 2021)

Charlie McConalogue: The core point I am making is that this process in which we are engaged is important. The feedback and assessment from the committee and the continuing engagement with the three farmers concerned will be important because what we have at the moment is the draft Bill. We are at the pre-legislative scrutiny phase. We have not yet introduced it or finalised it. I will ask Mr. Greally to come...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of Animal Health and Welfare (Amendment) Bill 2021: Discussion (15 Jul 2021)

Charlie McConalogue: Yes, that is correct. The timeline envisaged is that this would be the last breeding season. The pelting season is during the latter two or three months of the year and it would continue as normal this year, but then we would be dealing with the breeding females. Mr. Greally said there were 15,000 of them. That is the intention.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of Animal Health and Welfare (Amendment) Bill 2021: Discussion (15 Jul 2021)

Charlie McConalogue: I will certainly reflect further on the point the Deputy made about redundancy for the workers and take on board the feedback from this pre-legislative scrutiny. A ban on the import of furs is not something I had considered, but I will dig into the matter further and assess the options. My instinctive response is that there could be many relevant considerations and side issues in that...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of Animal Health and Welfare (Amendment) Bill 2021: Discussion (15 Jul 2021)

Charlie McConalogue: I thank Senator Lombard and I note his points and contribution in relation to redundancy payments. I will ask Mr. Greally or Mr. Kinsella to come back on some of those points.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of Animal Health and Welfare (Amendment) Bill 2021: Discussion (15 Jul 2021)

Charlie McConalogue: I thank Deputy Browne for the questions. These questions have been covered in response to earlier contributions. Certainly, I take Deputy Browne’s point. We will be reflecting on the approach to redundancy. We will also do further assessments and look for further evidence and information that can inform us when we finalise the approach to cost. We will note and take forward the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of Animal Health and Welfare (Amendment) Bill 2021: Discussion (15 Jul 2021)

Charlie McConalogue: It is open to Members to propose amendments and to explain the rationale behind them. It is then for me to consider whether to accept them. I suggest that, in the first instance, the Senator put her proposal in writing. I can then reflect on the points she is making and take it from there.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of Animal Health and Welfare (Amendment) Bill 2021: Discussion (15 Jul 2021)

Charlie McConalogue: We will take it step by step.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of Animal Health and Welfare (Amendment) Bill 2021: Discussion (15 Jul 2021)

Charlie McConalogue: The point the Chairperson is making is a fair one. It is something I have discussed with the team and we are going to reflect on it. Mr. Greally or Mr. Kinsella may wish to come in with regard to the ins and outs of the matter up to this point. It is a valid point. I have been considering what is appropriate to include in the primary legislation.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of Animal Health and Welfare (Amendment) Bill 2021: Discussion (15 Jul 2021)

Charlie McConalogue: I thank the Chairperson. The next step is for us to reflect on our engagement with the committee and on the further engagement with and information from the farmers, which we are seeking. We will then adjust the Bill as we feel appropriate having considered and taken on board the matters arising before introducing the legislation in the Dáil. At that stage, it will go through the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of Animal Health and Welfare (Amendment) Bill 2021: Discussion (15 Jul 2021)

Charlie McConalogue: I thank the Chairperson and all of the members for the engagement today and for facilitating this pre-legislative scrutiny. It is good to have it completed before the summer recess so that we can continue the work over the summer and be in a position to introduce the Bill to the Oireachtas early in the new Dáil term. I thank the Chairperson and all of the committee for their engagement...

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