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Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Risks to Mental Health: Dr. Anthony McCarthy, National Maternity Hospital, Holles Street (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: I was a member of the committee and I do not remember it being said.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Risks to Mental Health: Dr. Anthony McCarthy, National Maternity Hospital, Holles Street (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: There was no evidence for the suicides. It was remarked that threat could be grounds for abortion. Roughly, I believe, seven lives have been lost, seven too many as far as I am concerned, on the alleged threat of suicide. The floodgates did not open to use Dr. McCarthy's own words. On whether the abortion happens here or abroad, it was put to the witness that in Ireland the much lower...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Risks to Mental Health: Dr. Anthony McCarthy, National Maternity Hospital, Holles Street (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: The witness was claiming it was irrelevant whether the abortions were here or abroad. I am putting it to him that is an indication that the legislation here has a prohibiting effect on the number of abortions. When compared with the numbers in England, and I am not going to get into a debate with Deputy O'Connell about the numbers, but they are much higher in England than here.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Risks to Mental Health: Dr. Anthony McCarthy, National Maternity Hospital, Holles Street (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: No, the Deputy did not. I did not say that. I would not say something like that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Risks to Mental Health: Dr. Anthony McCarthy, National Maternity Hospital, Holles Street (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: Professor, I know that the situation can arise during pregnancy where women suffer depression or mental health disorder and that we need to ensure that women are cared for in the best way possible. Would the witness agree that the optimal outcome would be that a woman, a mother, gets the support and treatment that she needs and that both she and her baby are safely delivered of the pregnancy?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Risks to Mental Health: Dr. Anthony McCarthy, National Maternity Hospital, Holles Street (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: The professor's comments are interesting. I respect totally his professionalism but was he being flippant with his comments about mental health because we had a witness in last week who said that every man, woman and child's mental health was affected by the amendment? Can I assume Dr. McCarthy was being flippant when he referred to mental health and marriage? Was the witness just being...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Risks to Mental Health: Dr. Anthony McCarthy, National Maternity Hospital, Holles Street (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: I do not scoff and laugh at anybody else. It is totally ignorant.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Risks to Mental Health: Dr. Anthony McCarthy, National Maternity Hospital, Holles Street (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: It is ignorant and disparaging.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Risks to Mental Health: Dr. Anthony McCarthy, National Maternity Hospital, Holles Street (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: I did not make a joke. I would like to continue without the sideshows and the ignorant comments please.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Risks to Mental Health: Dr. Anthony McCarthy, National Maternity Hospital, Holles Street (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: This is why the committee is such a charade. I do not interrupt anyone. It is a total charade. I am on several committees in this House and none of them behaves in this way. None of them. I am in and out of the finance committee all day.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Risks to Mental Health: Dr. Anthony McCarthy, National Maternity Hospital, Holles Street (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: I did ask. I asked if the witness was being flippant.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Risks to Mental Health: Dr. Anthony McCarthy, National Maternity Hospital, Holles Street (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: I was just clarifying but people think it is very funny. I am clarifying that he mentioned marriage having a bad effect on mental health. Maybe it has some certainly but not in the vast majority of married couples in this country.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Risks to Mental Health: Dr. Anthony McCarthy, National Maternity Hospital, Holles Street (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: The witness was being flippant.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Risks to Mental Health: Dr. Anthony McCarthy, National Maternity Hospital, Holles Street (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: From where is that evidence? Will Dr. McCarthy clarify from where he got it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Risks to Mental Health: Dr. Anthony McCarthy, National Maternity Hospital, Holles Street (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: It has been given. From where did Dr. McCarthy get it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Risks to Mental Health: Dr. Anthony McCarthy, National Maternity Hospital, Holles Street (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: I do not find it interesting; I find it strange.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Risks to Mental Health: Dr. Anthony McCarthy, National Maternity Hospital, Holles Street (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: I find it a bit bizarre.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Risks to Mental Health: Dr. Anthony McCarthy, National Maternity Hospital, Holles Street (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: I did because-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Risks to Mental Health: Dr. Anthony McCarthy, National Maternity Hospital, Holles Street (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: That is why I am surprised-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Risks to Mental Health: Dr. Anthony McCarthy, National Maternity Hospital, Holles Street (8 Nov 2017)

Mattie McGrath: With respect, I asked Dr. McCarthy to clarify whether he was being flippant. He has now said he was. This is not a matter on which to be very flippant.

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