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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: We should write to whoever is in charge and ask for a projection in regard to potential future claims to be paid through the account. While there might have been none in the year in question, there may be many in the system. We will write to the chief executive or Accounting Officer asking for an update.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: What we will do then is circulate the Financial Statements among the members of the committee. If we have any questions, we will come back to them next week. We have circulated such information on one or two occasions. It is useful.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: We are coming back to that because we have asked-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: At our previous meeting, we asked that a note be written to the Department. It had informed us in correspondence over the summer that a number of transactions were to be completed by the end of September and we agreed to write to it last week, or a week earlier, to ask for an update on whether this actually happened. This arose out of the correspondence we received. We will get an update...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: Wonderful. It is a clear audit opinion. The Arts Council also received a clear audit opinion but, in his report, the Comptroller and Auditor General states:Attention is drawn to weaknesses in the controls over grant payments. The Council has made provision for payments of €196,000 due in relation to grants awarded in 2017 under an arts programme. The Council had provided funding for...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will get detail. We will write to the Arts Council for a far more comprehensive note on this than that which Mr. McCarthy read from the annual report. It sounds a bit like Console where an organisation was funded and then when it went into liquidation people were left. It appears as thought the situation is a mini version of that relating to Console.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: We are going to write to the council seeking details. The message is that the council had €196,000 less to give to people who should have got funding-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: It is going to make it up but the money will have been paid on the double.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: The council provided funding to the company that went bust and now it is paying out the money a second time.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: The grant fund programme is down €196,000 for other people because the council had to pay on the double in respect of this one.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: What we will do is when we get the name of the company, we will get one of the officials or Mr. McCarthy's office to perform a Companies Registration Office, CRO, search to discover whether it was a company limited by share, by guarantee or whatever. We do not know. We will find out about the company. If it was a company, it will be a matter of public record. We will see where we stand in...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will perform a search in respect of the company and the current state of the liquidation.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will write to the Arts Council in the first instance. When we get the name, we will take it from there. We want to deal specifically with this issue. The statement that has been read out indicates that the Arts Council is putting procedures in place, but I consider that somewhat woolly. I would like to know what it has done in terms of checking the audits of every other organisation....

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: Yes, it was a big fund.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: I will draw a comparison in order to clarify the position. It is not unusual for a Department to advance funding to organisations to get them up and running. For example, we are all familiar with community employment schemes. They run for a year. They get funding for the first few months and then they get a payment every month and coming to the end of the scheme they must be audited and...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: The last item is InterTradeIreland, which received a clear audit opinion. We note that as well. We will proceed quickly. The next item is the work programme. Today's programme is in front of us. Next week, we will be dealing with matters relating to housing. On 8 November, we will be dealing with the State Claims Agency in the context of cervical cancer and thalidomide. I want to...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: It is at the bottom of the list, but there is no date. In the next week or so, we will try to schedule work out to the early part of next year on the basis that we are all here.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will discuss it. I am open minded as to our priorities regarding what we want to deal with. We will ask the secretariat to look at all the items that are on our schedule and to draw up a provisional draft.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: And then sold back to the State.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: Getting a breakdown by hospital is a good suggestion too.

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