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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Mary Butler: I welcome Dr. Susan Steele, chairperson of the Sea-Fisheries Protection Authority, SFPA, Mr. Micheál O'Mahony, authority member, Ms Margaret Stanley, PO in the Naval Service section in the Department of Defence, Commander Martin McGrath, Naval Service, and Mr. Brian Hogan, chief surveyor at the Marine Survey Office, to this meeting on non-EEA crew in the Irish fishing fleet under the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Mary Butler: I thank Dr. Steele. I invite Ms Stanley to make her presentation.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Mary Butler: Does the Senator have a further question?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Mary Butler: The Senator should put all his questions at this point.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Mary Butler: What is the Senator quoting from?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Mary Butler: I ask the Senator to allow Mr. Hogan to respond.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Mary Butler: That is fine.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Mary Butler: Mr. Hogan, I would like to try to move things on if I can because I think we are getting bogged down in detail. The members have been here since 2 p.m. and there may be questions, particularly on the defence submission. Quite a few questions were raised earlier. I ask the witness to understand that, from our point of view, we are being bogged down in detail here. We are really trying to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Mary Butler: The point that Mr. Conway made, I think, was that he is sometimes contacted to email the letter itself on.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Mary Butler: That letter then states that the individual is officially employed on that vessel. Is that basically what the letter is for? Does it authenticate the crew member as having been officially employed on the vessel? Is that the whole idea? Does it amount to the crew member's official papers?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Mary Butler: That is a fair point. It is not an inspectorate and Mr. Hogan has said that. Are there further questions? Can we move the discussion on a little bit? I have a couple of specific questions I would like to ask Dr. Steele and Ms Stanley. I want to keep on point. We are discussing non-EEA crew members on board vessels. Dr. Steele represents the Sea Fisheries Protection Authority while Ms...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Mary Butler: That is the only reference the witnesses have to a case like that. Would there have been a check 24 or 48 hours later to see if that person got to shore?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Mary Butler: So there would not have been any checks or balances to make sure that person did get ashore.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Mary Butler: Is Dr. Steele aware of what they reported? Did they report that they wanted to leave?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Mary Butler: Authority staff check on land when refuelling or restocking. If non-EEA staff members do not have their papers and they make a complaint, where would that go?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Mary Butler: I thank the witnesses for engaging with the committee.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Mary Butler: I welcome Ms Oonagh Buckley, director general, WRC, Mr. Padraig Dooley, principal officer, inspections and enforcement services, WRC, Mr. Martin O'Halloran, chief executive officer of the Health and Safety Authority, HSA, and Mr. Brian Higgins, assistant chief executive officer, operational compliance and prevention, HSA, to the final session of the meeting to discuss the position of non-EEA...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Mary Butler: I thank Mr. O'Halloran. I will ask a question of him and of Ms Buckley before I call on other members. Do all inspections take place when the vessel is docked?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Mary Butler: Do the vessels have prior notice of a WRC inspection?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Mary Butler: Have crew members ever flagged during on-board inspections that they were being ill-treated or mistreated, that they were sick and wanted to be brought to hospital or that they just wanted to get off?

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