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Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: Are they being offered short-term contracts? Is that why many choose to go abroad? Are they offered the chance for a year's probation and then to get a job or are they just being offered short-term contracts in dentistry?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: Mr. Reid is saying that is a good thing.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: I am trying to highlight that we will never get Sláintecare and a public health system. The people who will be sitting in this room in 15 years will be talking about the same thing if we are not able to collectively get the pipeline of skills and qualified professionals producing something at the far end. This requires joined-up thinking between the Oireachtas, the Department, the HSE...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: The school dental system has gone backwards. Children are seen in third year in secondary school instead of third class in primary school, which is six or seven years later.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: It is a failure. The system has collapsed. If Ms O'Connor or the staff can do anything about that, it needs urgent attention.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: Will Mr. Watt send us a note on the figures for dentistry? How many dentists are there for the school system? What has the budget been over the last three years? Will the witnesses send a note on the dental treatment services scheme, DTSS, and its progress?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: I will allow the Deputy back in a for second round of questions but I want to be fair to the others.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: It is a very important issue for society at the moment with the ongoing conflict.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: There is huge frustration. It would be helpful if the Department could come back with a note on the process and how it is worked through.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: Okay. Sorry. Mr. Watt has outlined fairly well some of the difficulties. It would be helpful if Mr. Watt could come back to the committee with a note about the process and how it works through. Deputy Catherine Murphy has five minutes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: I will ask Mr. Reid about the claims that, in 2019, €392 million worth of health-related claims were made. I refer to awards made by courts and those paid out without going to court. In 2020, this figure reduced to €272 million, which is a significant sum. At the moment, there is something in the region of €3.7 billion outstanding. Unfortunately, situations like this...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: What is the annual spend? I do not expect the current figure but perhaps I could be given the figure for 2021.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: I am asking about the spend on legal services by the HSE. Mr. Mulvany will have seen the overall figure. What was it for 2019 and 2020?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: So in 2019, between claims paid out and legal services, we could be looking at €440 million.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: That is significant.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: I visit the issue of the integrated financial management system each time Mr. Watt is before us. I mentioned earlier that we are a high spender on health. That is good but we need to find out where money is going. As I mentioned to the witnesses from Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Mr. Watt's former Department, last week, what matters to us and to the public is what happens in...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: I want to hear from Mr. Watt, as Secretary General of the Department.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: How much?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: Straight lines.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: The road between the budget and the services is a road with many twists and turns.

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