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Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Yes, of course, everything should be done in accordance with the law. That is exactly why in complete recognition of that I set up a separate expert group to deal with these issues and to look crucially for recommendations going forward.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: On that point, that is why I set up a second group. There was only originally going to be one expert group. Having met the unions, I specifically set up a separate group on the HR issues, contractor issues, staff equality and all those issues that have been raised with me. I continue to engage. I even met those union representatives last week to hear how things are progressing. I am...

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: That is an operational issue for RTÉ, and I cannot interfere.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Again, I will not comment. I cannot wander into an area that would not be appropriate for a Minister with responsibility for media to wander into. What I am consistently saying is that I believe the staff should be treated with fairness, transparency and equality. That is why the second expert advisory group was so crucial in moving forward.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: The latest figures for the month of January are for 62,332 TV license sales compared to 67,764 last year. That is a reduction of 8%.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: That is total.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: It is for the month of January, yes.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Yes. There is a reduction of 5,432, which is 8%.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: It was a reduction of 13%.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: It was €19,783,360.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: On the reports?

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Regarding the advisory groups, we hope that the reports will arrive at the end of February but when they are completed, they will have to go through the legal route as well, but we are hopeful.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: That is why I have said that we will make this decision. Consecutive Governments have not taken the decision on this because they have been afraid of the political fallout from it. I am absolutely determined to take the decision but it is only right, having set up expert advisory committees to deal with this issue, to seek recommendations and await those recommendations. I should not...

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Absolutely. Reforms have been implemented already. On the €40 million interim funding, RTÉ will be tied to the strategic vision and to seeing the recommendations being implemented. A group will oversee that. Key to all of this and to moving forward is to put a sustainable funding model in place that supports public service media. This is not just a matter of RTÉ, but all...

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Just on the first point on equality, I met the unions very quickly at the end of June or July. The very reason equality is included in the HR and contractors expert advisory committee, is that I was hearing about gender equality there. It is important to let the Department of Social Protection get on with this work and engage with RTÉ. When the figure is established, NewERA will...

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: No, that is separate. When NewERA hears the final figures, its role is to advise the Department on the financial position of RTÉ and what funding is needed.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: It is similar to how NewERA recommended the interim funding. It makes an expert assessment and evaluation of what is required.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: I am satisfied that the Department of Social Protection is investigating this. The investigation is ongoing and the figure will be established.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: I did not only meet the unions last summer; I also met them in the last week because I am conscious of keeping engaged with them. I then met the DG and conveyed their concerns directly to him, as I promised I would. The WRC is available to staff if that is the route that needs to be taken. The forward-looking piece is key here as well in fixing this and getting it right.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: I will know it when it has been established. One cannot seek a figure that has not yet been established.

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