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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying in Europe: Discussion (26 Sep 2023)

Rónán Mullen: That is fine, I thank Professor Boer. He also mentioned incidences where euthanasia is carried out under the auspices of the GP, but he also mentioned that there are private companies involved. When that happens, because there is no doctor-patient relationship, who is taking the initiative there?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying in Europe: Discussion (26 Sep 2023)

Rónán Mullen: What type of pressure is driving this increase of figures? Are we talking about pressure on doctors from society? There has been some discussion here of pressure on patients because of an absence of positive reassurance by relatives about them not being a burden. Are these issues presenting as reasons or are they driving the figures or the increases?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying in Europe: Discussion (26 Sep 2023)

Rónán Mullen: It has been suggested that by legalising some kind of euthanasia or assisted suicide regime, it will drive down the number of suicides that would otherwise take place. Has the existence of assisted suicide or euthanasia in Netherlands impacted on the number of suicides in Holland?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying in Europe: Discussion (26 Sep 2023)

Rónán Mullen: Have I time for another question?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying in Europe: Discussion (26 Sep 2023)

Rónán Mullen: Returning to the question of minors, there has been some discussion of euthanasia of minors, people under 18 years, in Belgium and Holland. What is the story in the Netherlands?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying in Europe: Discussion (26 Sep 2023)

Rónán Mullen: Mr. Luley's citation of the European Court of Human Rights is problematic for the reason I have just said. The other thing is that he suggests that nonconsensual ending of life is what goes for the definition of killing but actually that goes for the definition of murder and manslaughter. I would have to put it to him that to some degree, by rejecting the use of the term "killing" even when...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying in Europe: Discussion (26 Sep 2023)

Rónán Mullen: Can I just ask-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying in Europe: Discussion (26 Sep 2023)

Rónán Mullen: I have a couple of important, quick questions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying in Europe: Discussion (26 Sep 2023)

Rónán Mullen: I am happy to wait until afterwards but, in fairness, there are questions to be asked and our speakers are available to us. I am happy to wait until the end but I ask that the discussion not be closed down while we have an opportunity-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying in Europe: Discussion (26 Sep 2023)

Rónán Mullen: I thank our guests again. If I may, I will address a couple of quick questions to Mr. Luley. I need to start by correcting one point. He refers in his submission to the European Court of Human Rights and he makes the suggestion that there is a human rights obligation on states to legislate for euthanasia or assisted suicide in some form. I think he needs to accept that of all issues it is...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying in Europe: Discussion (26 Sep 2023)

Rónán Mullen: Certainly the paragraph where he cites the European Court of Human Rights-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying in Europe: Discussion (26 Sep 2023)

Rónán Mullen: Thank you.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying in Europe: Discussion (26 Sep 2023)

Rónán Mullen: We will get a chance to ask the palliative care physicians whether they have oversized egos or whether they are afraid people will feel they are becoming a burden when euthanasia becomes lawful, or that they will lose hope. I like to think that the palliative care physicians from whom we may hear actually care about their patients and see at first-hand how they can best cope with their...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying in Europe: Discussion (26 Sep 2023)

Rónán Mullen: However, what does Mr. Luley do in those cases?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying in Europe: Discussion (26 Sep 2023)

Rónán Mullen: Does Mr. Luley want a change in the law however? I understand from him that he wants a change a change in the law to permit euthanasia. If I am wrong on that, I ask him to please correct me. What does he do in practice when he encounters people-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying in Europe: Discussion (26 Sep 2023)

Rónán Mullen: So he does not.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying in Europe: Discussion (26 Sep 2023)

Rónán Mullen: Mr. Luley has been at pains to tell us that we should not close our eyes to the possibility of legalising euthanasia as opposed to assisted suicide. I find it surprising he will not say he would like to see a similar change in the law in Switzerland to allow for euthanasia. What does he do when people request euthanasia? Does he send them away or counsel them to go to another country where...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying in Europe: Discussion (26 Sep 2023)

Rónán Mullen: And likewise for a Swiss person.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Assisted Dying in Europe: Discussion (26 Sep 2023)

Rónán Mullen: I am surprised by Mr. Luley's hesitation.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Developing a Legal Framework for Assisted Dying: Discussion (11 Jul 2023)

Rónán Mullen: I thank the witnesses for coming before the committee to assist us. I will start with Professor Jones. I am taking two points from what he is saying, which are to do with safeguards and eligibility. We have discussed the question of safeguards with lawyers over the past weeks. Do they work? Professor Jones seems to be suggesting that they do not.

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