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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is what I understand as well. Would any questions we would have about its operations and funding have to be as part of our questioning of the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform here?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Alan Kelly: I might liaise with the clerk to the committee.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Alan Kelly: We should bring in the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, even if only for an hour or two, in relation to this organisation. I would like to get to the bottom of a lot of questions about what it does and how it does it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Alan Kelly: I will revive the Chairman's memory on this. They wrote to the committee primarily because I raised the issue of the organisation in this forum.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Alan Kelly: We can put it in for some future date.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Alan Kelly: I would just like to get to the bottom of what it does, how it does it-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Alan Kelly: -----and how it is operating.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Alan Kelly: I read the correspondence and it raises a whole pile of questions. It is very interesting. I feel that some of the issues that have been raised in the correspondence are likely to be raised by others, and as a consequence we have to get to some format. I accept what the Chairman has said on the caveat of ensuring the inspector is independent. We also have to find some vehicle to be able...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Alan Kelly: A proper way forward.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Alan Kelly: We are all agreed.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Alan Kelly: It is a whole different animal.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Alan Kelly: My rationale is that information I have sought regarding Tipperary Education and Training Board from the Department in parliamentary questions over the past month has not been provided. I have been engaging with the Secretary General of the Department to get better answers because many of them were not acceptable. My first request for information related to multiple issues, including the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Alan Kelly: I know what it is. I am being a little-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is the issue I was about to raise. Basically, the non-pay side of the ETBI is funded through contributions from the individual ETBs.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Alan Kelly: That means the ETBs must provide funding to make that happen. On the basis of what the Comptroller and Auditor General said, it is up to the committee as to how it responds to my second request. The Department will probably be able to answer questions on ETBI but I insist that we bring in representatives of Tipperary Education and Training Board.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Alan Kelly: Absolutely. I could not agree more.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Alan Kelly: Work programme.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Alan Kelly: We spoke in our private meeting recently about an engagement with the National Treatment Purchase Fund and Nursing Homes Ireland. We need to decide on the structure, format and a possible date for this.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Alan Kelly: Before we go to Deputy Cullinane, I want to ask the Comptroller and Auditor General about the financial statements of the National Treatment Purchase Fund.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Alan Kelly: We need to arrive at a rationale for why we are bringing in Nursing Homes Ireland.

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