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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will write back to NAMA arising from that letter to say that it has established that the person identified as a director of the purchaser entity was not a NAMA debtor. We will write back straight up asking if there was any connection between that person and a NAMA debtor. Maybe that person was not a NAMA debtor but we want to know if there was any connection and NAMA should know that and...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: NAMA does say in the last paragraph that it is constrained by the legislation from disclosing details. However, what we are asking is not an unreasonable question. The Deputy is right. We could have just noted and published it and moved on. Serious issues are raised and people feel that we should follow matters through and of course we do so we will go back and ask for further...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: The big question we asked here that day was about what level of verification has been made of the section 172 declarations and I gathered that they had not done that. That is a bit like Revenue saying it is a self assessment system but that there is no audit in place.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: Do these declarations have any legal standing outside of the State because this is a sale transacted in Europe?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: See? It is wide open.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: We are not finished with it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will ensure that NAMA is made aware of that point in our reply. We are not legal experts. We cannot be expected to know the subsections of section 202. I thank Mr. McCarthy for highlighting it. How could we be expected to know the full details of that? We will revert to NAMA on that basis. We will note and publish the correspondence but will follow up on it. Next is No. 1714 B...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will not preclude that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: I am testing Dr. Fitzgerald by asking that question.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: I will ask that the reply, when it is sent to us, meets a level of candour and openness and provides the full details about the people concerned in our questions. We will judge Dr. Fitzgerald's words then. Let us hope that everything he said measures up. When we see the reply, we will examine it, and if we have to take the matter further, we will. I am asking the question.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: So we could have it next week.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: Great.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: Absolutely. It is on our work programme. Next, we held over No. 1595 C from our previous meeting. We will revert to it. Correspondence Nos. 1674 C, dated 22 October, and 1716 C, dated 7 November, are from an individual who made a submission to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform regarding the OPW in terms of "Strengthening Civil Service Accountability and Performance". We...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: No.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will do that. We will include the WIT report in our work programme. We can certainly deal with that matter. No statements or accounts have been received since our previous meeting. That is extraordinary. It has been a quiet week for someone.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: The next item is our work programme, which we will put on screen. Today we have the Revenue Commissioners and, in the afternoon, a private session. Next Thursday, we will deal with a special chapter on hepatitis C treatment. Was the ultimate cost in the order of €1.5 billion?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: We are asking the people from the HSE because that was as a result of medical negligence. We do not need to go back over CervicalCheck. We pencilled it in for next week, but we had it last week. We will come back to it through correspondence. We do not need to deal with CervicalCheck every second week. Next week we hope to have a draft of our fourth periodic report. That will be...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: The secretariat will give us a draft for our first consideration of the matter. I ask members to take some time out before the meeting to go through it. I would like to clear that with a view to publishing it early in December. It is essential that we do that. I want to try to clear the first reading of that report and then we might have a final one after that. On 29 November, we will...

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