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Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: It is a very simple question. Which office is Ms McGeever assigned to? Everyone is assigned to some office I presume.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: The Secretary General, who is sitting in front of me, wrote to me that " ... it is the expectation and understanding of the Department that each Chief Executive would be headquartered in the head office ...". The Minister wrote to me and said that "... an estimate of time allocation would be: Nenagh (20%)". I asked the two previous witnesses, the chief executive of SOLAS and the Secretary...

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: Perhaps the Secretary General might verify if that is that case.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: The important point is about the head office. I shall move on now and maybe we could come back to that issue. Directors were appointed for ETBs across the board and three directors were appointed, like every other ETB, in Tipperary. Where are they based?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: Given that the Minister said to me the chief executive spends more time in Clonmel than in Nenagh is it not strange that we have a head office in one location and we have three people who work more out of Clonmel, out of a sub-office, than out of the head office? Is that not strange?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: Okay fair enough. That is fine. Consider, however, if the Secretary General of the Department had his assistant secretaries based all around, or if the chief management team of the head of SOLAS was not based close to him. It would be very strange if they said that that was the optimal way in which to run their organisation. It is very strange that three of the four senior staff of...

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: How many are in each location?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: The chief executive and two directors are based in Clonmel and one director is based in Nenagh. Does the staff complement of 37 include the chief executive and the directors?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: From a performance point of view, how is it optimal that a management team is not based out of head office?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: I am not asking about audits.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: I am aware of that because the turnaround in some of the schools in Tipperary has been excellent. I acknowledge that and I compliment the people who are working in them. In terms of the Committee of Public Accounts, the financial auditing process is as much a part of its work as are accounts. From a performance point of view and a risk point of view, it cannot be optimal that the head...

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: I accept that.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: I am sorry, I am not being rude but I need to preserve my time and ask-----

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: If I have to interrupt, I do so to save time more than anything else. According to the information provided by the Minister Ms McGeever spends 20% of her time in Nenagh, 25% in Clonmel and 55% in other areas. Presumably, Ms McGeever agrees with that.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: Is Ms McGeever happy with them?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: Fair enough but are the percentages accurate?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: Fine but in general is the information provided accurate?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: For the record, is Ms McGeever saying that the information provided to me in writing by the Minister to the effect that she spends 20% of her time in the Nenagh office, 25% in the Clonmel office and 55% in other areas is not accurate? Perhaps the Department officials would note that.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: I will note that for the record.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is not the case in this instance.

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