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Public Accounts Committee: City of Dublin Education and Training Board and Kilkenny and Carlow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: At the end of the day it comes back to the Department. This is what we spoke about earlier in regard to oversight. It would be helpful if as a result of this the Department would supply us with a list of where the people in those positions are located across the ETBs.

Public Accounts Committee: City of Dublin Education and Training Board and Kilkenny and Carlow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: For me, it seems absolutely illogical that, given the amount of work, they are not based in the one location, for the majority of time at the very least, if not exclusively. I accept there would be a significant amount of movement from time to time. This is my last question for now. With regard to teaching allocations, how does the Department monitor the fact that each ETB is pro rata...

Public Accounts Committee: City of Dublin Education and Training Board and Kilkenny and Carlow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: When was that?

Public Accounts Committee: City of Dublin Education and Training Board and Kilkenny and Carlow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: I accept Mr. Loftus's latter point and I agree with him. There are checks and balances in place at all times and what I want to know is should some schools feel aggrieved obviously they can go through the process with the ETB or directly to the Department.

Public Accounts Committee: City of Dublin Education and Training Board and Kilkenny and Carlow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: I always like to point out any acquaintance I have with witnesses and, in that vein, I bring it to the attention of colleagues that I have known Ms Hanney for several years. I have a question for the delegates from both ETBs. The Department provides funding for schools for information and communications technology, ICT. Is all of that allocation used exclusively for schools?

Public Accounts Committee: City of Dublin Education and Training Board and Kilkenny and Carlow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: A centralised software application might have to be installed by head office. I will not hold Ms Hanney to this but would she say, on average, that in the region of 90% or 95%, say, of the funding goes directly to schools?

Public Accounts Committee: City of Dublin Education and Training Board and Kilkenny and Carlow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: In general, however, more than 90% of the totality would go to the schools?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: Does Mr. Ruttle agree with that?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: I ask the Chairman to make a ruling.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: I agree with the previous speaker.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: On a light note, on the two or three occasions when I stood in for the Chairman, I was accused of running long meetings. We commenced the meeting nine hours and 20 minutes ago and I think the Chairman will beat the record. I have a number of questions. I found today's meeting very revealing - but not in a good way. I believe the Department of Education and Skills has had a bad today as...

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is a third cousin. Are there any for the Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board, outside of what has been-----

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: I am not sure what that answer means.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is what I mean, there was nothing to declare. I asked a question earlier on to two other ETBs around ICT school grants and the percentage that would be used by schools or used in any way centrally. The ETBs said that in one case it was 100% and in another case it was 90%. I pose the same question to the ETBs here.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: Nothing is used centrally. Okay. There was a query earlier from Deputy MacSharry, who is probably at home in Sligo four or five hours at this stage, requesting information on board members' travel and subsistence payments for the last years. I would like to extend that query to the chief executives and directors of all the ETBs since their inauguration in 2013, across the board. I have...

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: I appreciate that-----

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: Okay. If I interrupt Ms McGeever I am not being rude. As we are all aware we are caught for time all the time. If I interrupt the witness it is purely for that. Please appreciate that. I am trying to help in this regard. I accept that this situation is not of the Tipperary ETB's making but it has to fund part of it and pay for components of this. It is rather odd that we have a...

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: Can we evaluate how much that cost is?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: How many staff does the Tipperary ETB pay for at the centre?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Alan Kelly: How long has this been going on?

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