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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: We want to get 100% collection of that amount.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: Yes, 100% collection of that. I thank the Deputy for raising that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: I have not started.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: I am sorry Deputy. This has been going on for 16 years. I want to say to the Accounting Officer that it says something about how the Department of Education and Skills follows up issues relating to taxpayers' money. I hope it does not have broader implications across the public service. As a result of our previous meeting, the committee asked for a breakdown report by report. On 23 July,...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: Yes, the deadlines that we were given.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Ó Foghlú gave us a commitment after due consideration. The question is what has happened? Did he not give proper consideration when he provided the initial deadlines or has something happened in the meantime? We want to know. I will finish the record then and speed matters up a bit. This is no better. Appendix 2 lists properties accepted for transfer under the 2009...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: Yes. That is what has happened for 14 consecutive years. It is not going to continue. Somebody has to call a halt. I am saying to the Department of Education and Skills that the Office of the Chief State Solicitor or whichever State body has responsibility is not getting the business done from a legal perspective. I do not want to have to bring Mr. Ó Foghlú back before the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: There are two aspects to this. The legal fees were €94,340 and the cost of the investigating team was €305,320.34, giving a total cost of €399,660.34. There were no significant indirect costs because the members of the review group were all external to the service. We will note and publish that information. On the charging of residents for incontinence wear, we will...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: I met the family concerned during the summer and I accept that we cannot leave matters as they stand. Perhaps we could publish the note with caveats attached and members could meet them outside the setting of the Committee of Public Accounts. It might be the case that they do not want the matter brought to a public meeting of the committee.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: It is the first response we have had.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: We want to go into this matter and I am with the Deputy on it. However, the families might have a concern and they are clearly identifiable within the institution because the organisation knows about the issue. I want to be sensitive to the people who are living in the nursing home and their families and I do not want to escalate something in such a way as to make them uncomfortable.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: I would like to check back with them.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: No. I met a delegation here in Dublin.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: I will start with the person in question.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: We can possibly have a chat about it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: As Chairman, I would not like to call the organisation in without touching base with the families concerned.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: I will be happy to do that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: To which report is the Deputy referring?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: We all know that the recommendation of the Ombudsman is not legally binding. We can take up that report if the Ombudsman has already done a body of work.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: Is Deputy Catherine Murphy referring to Midlands Regional Hospital Portlaoise or to other hospitals?

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