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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Indecon Reports on Job Clubs and Local Employment Services: Discussion (2 Apr 2019)

John Curran: I might keep Mr. Bowe until last because he made the opening statement. I will let his colleagues respond to some of the queries raised, if that suits.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Indecon Reports on Job Clubs and Local Employment Services: Discussion (2 Apr 2019)

John Curran: I thank Mr. Saunders. I ask Mr. Bowe to conclude.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Indecon Reports on Job Clubs and Local Employment Services: Discussion (2 Apr 2019)

John Curran: I thank all our witnesses for their attendance today, the opening statements and their response to the questions. Deputy Brady clearly indicated that this is part one of a two-part process. We will address the Minister next week. It is very important to be fair and compliment the witnesses on the presentations because while we have the Indecon report, we are looking forward to the future...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Indecon Reports on Job Clubs and Local Employment Services: Discussion (2 Apr 2019)

John Curran: We will address that in private session on Thursday morning.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Indecon Reports on Job Clubs and Local Employment Services: Discussion (2 Apr 2019)

John Curran: I would not think so. We will deal that matter in private session. We will deal with the Minister on Thursday as scheduled.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Indecon Reports on Job Clubs and Local Employment Services: Discussion (2 Apr 2019)

John Curran: Normally it is the Chairman who would have the last word, but Mr. Coffey can go ahead.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Indecon Reports on Job Clubs and Local Employment Services: Discussion (2 Apr 2019)

John Curran: I thank Mr. Coffey and the other delegates.

Written Answers — Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment: Energy Schemes (28 Mar 2019)

John Curran: 152. To ask the Minister for Communications, Climate Action and Environment the progress he has made in considering the optimal next steps to achieve the level of ambition as set out in the NDP under the warmth and well-being programme; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [14576/19]

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Business of Joint Committee (28 Mar 2019)

John Curran: I welcome members to this meeting of the Joint Committee on Employment Affairs and Social Protection. I remind members that if they have mobile phones, they might turn them off. I propose that we go into private session to deal with some housekeeping matters and then we will return to public session. Is that agreed? Agreed.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Bogus Self-Employment: Discussion (Resumed) (28 Mar 2019)

John Curran: I welcome today's witnesses, namely, Ms Maeve McElwee and Ms Rhona Murphy from IBEC and Ms Jean Winters and Mr. Conor O'Connell from the Construction Industry Federation, CIF. I will invite the witnesses to make their opening statements in a couple of moments and then members will have an opportunity to ask a number of questions. I wish to draw witnesses' attention to the fact that by virtue...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Bogus Self-Employment: Discussion (Resumed) (28 Mar 2019)

John Curran: Thank you. I will come to Deputy O'Dea shortly. I want to make a general comment, and the Department made the same comment when its representatives were here, about the number of people who are self-employed declining as a percentage. Ms Winters is right that the percentage is declining, but there is no decline in the actual number of people because the total workforce is increasing...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Bogus Self-Employment: Discussion (Resumed) (28 Mar 2019)

John Curran: Before I call the witnesses, I wish to expand on the final point made by Deputy Carey. The figures produced from CIF are CSO figures. Almost 32,000 workers in the construction sector are self-employed with no employees. That is a very significant number. As I said earlier, it is much higher than the situation across industry in general. I accept that the data are not available, but would...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Bogus Self-Employment: Discussion (Resumed) (28 Mar 2019)

John Curran: I am sorry to interrupt but I must make an important point. Frequently witnesses say that the percentage is dropping, which is correct. I am not talking about bogus self-employment but self-employment. While the percentage is dropping, the number of people is not dropping. The number of people in the workforce who are self-employed is not dropping. I want to make that distinction in case...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Bogus Self-Employment: Discussion (Resumed) (28 Mar 2019)

John Curran: Does Ms Murphy wish to add to that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Bogus Self-Employment: Discussion (Resumed) (28 Mar 2019)

John Curran: Yes but I ask the Deputy to be brief.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Bogus Self-Employment: Discussion (Resumed) (28 Mar 2019)

John Curran: I thank Deputy Smith. I ask Ms Murphy to respond.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Bogus Self-Employment: Discussion (Resumed) (28 Mar 2019)

John Curran: Please, Deputy Smith.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Bogus Self-Employment: Discussion (Resumed) (28 Mar 2019)

John Curran: I thank Mrs McElwee for that clarification. Would Mr. O'Connell or Ms Winters care to speak?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Bogus Self-Employment: Discussion (Resumed) (28 Mar 2019)

John Curran: I will ask Mr. O'Connell a technical question. The figures speak for themselves. There is a disproportionately higher number self-employed in construction. As an industry body, does CIF do any analysis on these figures or any risk assessment on bogus self-employment?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Bogus Self-Employment: Discussion (Resumed) (28 Mar 2019)

John Curran: It does not make that point, however. I specifically said that it is a sector that has a substantially higher level and therefore there is greater risk.

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