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Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: My first question to Mr. Tubridy is simple. Does he believe that in all of this, he has done anything wrong?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: After RTÉ released its initial statement, both Mr. Tubridy and Mr. Kelly released a first statement on the Thursday and that was followed by a second statement on the Friday, which was quite different and acknowledged the problem.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: Let me come back to the question. Why does Mr. Tubridy think his salary was understated? Most people know what their salaries are, you know what your salary is. Why do you think those figures were understated?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: Whose----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: Who do our guests think is responsible, therefore, for the incorrect figures being issued?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: Who in RTÉ?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: Who in RTÉ does Mr. Kelly believe is responsible for misstating his client's salary figures?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: Who did Mr. Kelly complain to? He said he complained.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: These figures are discussed widely.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: And you never received that €120,000.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: Am I correct? The declared figures that were published at the time were for 2017, €491,667; for 2018, €495,000; and for 2019, €495,000.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: Those are the correct total figures that were paid by RTÉ to Tuttle.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: So that is €511,000; €545,000----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: I appreciate that but I am looking at it the way a normal person looks at their annual salary.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: This is a challenge. There is a question that is here that people are looking and they are saying, hang on, we talked about it. Everyone talks about the salaries when they are published. Even just to take one year, in 2019, it was declared all over the media and declared before the Oireachtas here, €495,000. Yet Mr. Kelly knew, Tuttle was the company that was paid €545,000,...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: Okay, so you knew. I am just conscious of time. Mr. Tubridy mentioned that----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: I know, but for us and for the wider public, we did not know and this is the problem.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: Mr. Tubridy has said that if the Renault gigs do not happen he is going to pay the money back.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: To whom is he going to pay it back?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: Does the cheque or the bank transfer go to pay Astus Limited., Renault or RTÉ?

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