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Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: No, I have not. That is why I think-----

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: I do not want speculation around costs as I do not think that is helpful in this situation. There is no concrete-----

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: They cannot give a figure because the Department of Social Protection has not finished examining all of the cases yet.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: There is an active Department of Social Protection investigation. As the Minister with responsibility for media, and having regard to RTÉ's statutory independence, I do not believe it is appropriate for me to start suggesting or interfering in how RTÉ should deal with staffing and contractual matters. That is the case.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: As I have said already, we do not have that figure because it is ongoing. It is an active investigation.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: We do not have that.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: No, we do not have that yet.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: I am not going to seek something until it is concluded and they have the exact figure.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Yes, there are two issues. There is the Department of Social Protection issue in regard to that liability and then there is the compensation issue. There are two issues. I agree with the Deputy on that.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Not while it is ongoing. As Minister, I cannot get involved. These are the mechanics in regard to employees and employers, and there is no mechanism in my Department to determine labour law issues.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: For the individual employees, I am not their employer. It is up to RTÉ to determine that liability. Again, this is why I point to the future-looking piece and why I listened to the staff. It is about getting it right in future, examining those HR and contractor issues and making sure RTÉ then implements the recommendations that are made.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: No, it actually would not be appropriate for us to get involved in that. It is purely a matter between the Department of Social Protection and RTÉ.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: It is still ongoing, so no.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: It is ongoing, so I just cannot continue with speculation about the unknown. A contingency for a figure that we do not have-----

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: This is ongoing. This is live.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Regarding the second issue, when the full figure is established, that will become part of that overall funding. NewERA will have a role in that but there is no exact figure yet.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Yes, it is just on my radar but I am not speculating on an unknown figure.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: We are not involved in that. It is a matter for RTÉ, so we are not involved in-----

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Again, it is ongoing and NewERA has a role in monitoring RTÉ’s financial position. When it comes to a conclusion, that is when NewERA can step in and come to us. We cannot do a contingency for the unknown. As I said, it is on our radar but it has to come to a conclusion. Then NewERA will have a role in that.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: It is really not appropriate for the Minister with responsibility for media to give an answer to that. It is just not appropriate. I have always said I believe the organisation should treat its staff with fairness and transparency. That is exactly why-----

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