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Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Robert Dowds: I have no doubt Mr. Timmins understands the issue puts a bad taste in people's mouths in regard to an organisation in which people want to have full confidence and to respect, and with good reason.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Robert Dowds: I wish Mr. Timmins and Ms Manahan well in their new roles.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Robert Dowds: Can Mr. Healy please send me copies of the communication? I would be interested in Ms Stephanie Manahan's comment on this issue.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Robert Dowds: One of the things we need to understand, and this applies to the whole work of the CRC and other organisations that deal with people with a disability, is that it is exceedingly difficult for parents to engage in public meetings. The people who went to those meetings yesterday had great difficulty in getting there. That is an issue that is not sufficiently appreciated by any of us, even by...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Robert Dowds: May I come back to this point as I have to report back to people? I can assure them that the HSE will co-operate with the school in Scoil Mochua to ensure clinical services will continue to be provided at the site and, in their application for a new building, that the HSE and the Department of Education and Skills will work together towards bringing that to fruition if it is the decision of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Robert Dowds: Will children attending the school or visiting from outside still be able to go to that site for their general clinical services?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Robert Dowds: Given that they have severe physical disability, moving them off site is a major difficulty. One of the great fortunes of both the school in Clondalkin and in Clontarf is that the clinical services are provided on the same site as the school so it is easy to move from one to the other.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Robert Dowds: If Mr. Healy can give me his contact details, I will see that they are sent to him. Turning to some of the historical issues in the CRC, how is the money in Friends and Supporters of the CRC going to be dealt with? First, what is the extent of the money? Will it remain as a separate fund long-term or will it come under the general spend of the CRC? Can Mr. Cregan or Mr. Timmins illuminate...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Robert Dowds: I apologise for cutting across Mr. Timmins, but this goes back to my original question regarding the relationship between CRC and the HSE. Does the HSE have to approve that funding or is there-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Robert Dowds: Is Mr. Healy happy with those two projects, the Swords project and Scoil Mochua?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Robert Dowds: Mr. John Cregan rightly made severe criticism of some of the previous board's activities. I understand that an organisation called Boardmatch Ireland helped set up the new board. How were people chosen and how is it intended to renew the board as time goes on?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Robert Dowds: Could we come up to the present? Ms McGuinness is probably the best person to answer this question but I would be interested in hearing Ms Manahan's comments as well. My question concerns the relationship between the CRC and the HSE, particularly in respect of the provision of clinical services. To what extent will the CRC have an independent hand and to what extent will it have to bow...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Robert Dowds: I asked this question for a specific reason. Last night, I was at a meeting of parents of children in Scoil Mochua in Clondalkin and parents of service users on that site. As Ms Manahan knows, an application to build a new school has been made. It is being held up because of information requested by the HSE. I would like to be corrected if I am wrong but my understanding is that the HSE...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Robert Dowds: I understand that the two must go hand in hand.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Robert Dowds: So Mr. Healy is saying that clinical services can still be offered on that site?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Robert Dowds: Could I suggest that the HSE urgently contacts the school and parents because the group of people yesterday was very worried?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Robert Dowds: E-mails they sent to the HSE have not been replied to.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Robert Dowds: It is one thing to say that the HSE will take it on board but I want to be assured that the parents and the school will be responded to as rapidly as possible because they sit there in a situation of uncertainty. I would be interested in hearing Ms Manahan's comment on this issue.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Robert Dowds: The reason I am quizzing Mr. Healy so aggressively is because two senior members of the staff from the CRC were at this meeting. They were not able to answer people's questions on that issue because of not having clear direction from the HSE.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Robert Dowds: I thank the Chair. I welcome all of our witnesses. I have a personal connection with the CRC, having worked as a teacher in Scoil Mochua for over ten years. I have a particular personal angle on this. Before I ask about the relationship between the CRC and the HSE, I would like to commend Mr. Cregan on the work he has done in his report. It is appreciated by me and by the staff members...

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