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Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: Will that be back before us in two or three years time? That is what I am concerned about. The system has been problematic going back years. It is about Government policy but Government policy is now to move to Sláintecare. Mr. Watt and I know what Sláintecare is about: it is a public health system. I do not want to be too ideological about it but it generally means that we...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: I now turn to the school dental scheme. I apologise for moving quickly. What is the budget for the school dental scheme this year or last year if the officials do not have the figures for this year?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: How much would it be going back over the years? Mr. Mulvany must have some idea as financial officer.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: Is it €10 million, €20 million? What are we looking at for school dentistry?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: Okay. Here is where I have the problem. As I have said here before, I saw a dentist when I was eight or nine years old. My grandchild is 16 years and has not seen a school dentist. I am not here to fight her battle but I am trying to illustrate that the system is not working when it comes to primary school dentistry. Health professionals and common sense tell us that it is about a stitch...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: It is a shortage of dentists.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: I am thinking of the example of retrofitting houses. Some of us would have known that was coming and said that we needed to start training apprentices on how to retrofit. I have observed this morning how many of the answers come down to the lack of recruits and then, obviously, retention is an issue. If people come into a system that is overloaded they are not inclined to stay because they...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: I know that but what if you want them in five years time?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: How many dentists are in the school dentist scheme?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: How many are on short-term contracts?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: I know but those 254 are across the State.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: There is 800 staff and only 250 are dentists?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: Have we half the number we need, a quarter of the number?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: So we have fewer than half the dentists we need.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: I am asking because dentistry is something I get asked about. The public ask me what has happened to the system. People in the midlands raise it with me but it is replicated across many counties. There is a budget that comes across from the Oireachtas and the Department of Health and it goes to the HSE. I know there is no sticking plaster and it is about the pipeline. We have identified...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: That really is paper thin. It is very thinly spread across the State. Again, it is a pipeline issue. It is up to us to highlight these things and try to get them addressed. That is why I am raising them this morning because unless you have the staff you cannot provide the service.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: So I have noticed.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: That was already mentioned.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: Are they being offered short-term contracts? Is that why many choose to go abroad? Are they offered the chance for a year's probation and then to get a job or are they just being offered short-term contracts in dentistry?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: Mr. Reid is saying that is a good thing.

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