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Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Jul 2013)

David Norris: Have you ruled it out, a Chathaoirligh?

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Jul 2013)

David Norris: Absolutely. I am talking about the abolition. I will be quick. I hope we have money to fund a campaign. I accept the Government has already spent €2.1 million in advance of the abolition and the estimates could possibly go as high as €25 million. I do not know how they can persuade-----

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Jul 2013)

David Norris: Yes, the Government has. I can quote the Ministers in that regard.

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Jul 2013)

David Norris: I am reading Senator O’Donnell’s explanation.

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Jul 2013)

David Norris: There is a reference to €21 million. It is a huge waste of money. I hope we will have money for an advertisement about abolition day. When abolition day was announced, the then Leader of the Opposition in this House, the then Senator Frances Fitzgerald, gave the greatest jaw drop in recorded history, because the Taoiseach, Deputy Enda Kenny, did not even have the courtesy to tell...

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Jul 2013)

David Norris: As may be happening again today. We are told that there are investigative journalists. I would like to have someone follow, not the money trail but the promotion trail, because it is amazing the way those people who were shy little violets in Seanad Éireann have blossomed out into bloody rhododendrons now and they are all over the place denouncing the House they were damn glad to be in...

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Jul 2013)

David Norris: It is important we take this stand and ask for information. We want to know who is pulling the strings and who is giving the instructions to the Cathaoirleach, which is illegal. If there is correspondence and the Government is dictating to this House, that is illegal and the Government should be impeached. I hope there will be a long, interesting, informed debate. We are now told at the...

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Jul 2013)

David Norris: That is what they are doing. I say to any Member who votes in favour of the Bill and for the abolition of the Seanad that I could accept if they thought the Seanad was rubbish and no use, regardless of whether they were parachuted in or they got in through the rotten boroughs of the councils or whatever other bloody way they got in, but if they vote for this Bill, they are not worthy to be...

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Jul 2013)

David Norris: -----and they should not be permitted to perpetrate a fraud on the people by drawing a salary for being in a House that by their very vote they have said is not worth a damn.

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Jul 2013)

David Norris: How dare they do that and continue to take their money. If they have any integrity or decency, if they vote for abolition, they should get to hell out of here.

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Jul 2013)

David Norris: Oh.

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Jul 2013)

David Norris: I let a little cough. Could Senator Zappone spell what I said? Only if she can spell it does it constitute an interruption.

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Jul 2013)

David Norris: I deeply apologise for my little cough. I may not be able contain any further outbreaks but I will stifle them as much as I can.

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Jul 2013)

David Norris: To hell with tradition.

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Jul 2013)

David Norris: Wait until we get to the amendments.

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Jul 2013)

David Norris: No, absolutely not. Rubbish. I do not accept it because the Cathaoirleach is talking about tradition. One could make that up as one went along. It is not a rule of the House. I do not accept it. We are going to take the sections, oppose them and do it the way this House wants to do it and not the way the Government wants to do it. To hell with long-standing tradition. May I remind the...

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Jul 2013)

David Norris: It is not a binding rule. It is long-standing tradition and it is about time it was turned over.

Seanad: An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Jul 2013)

David Norris: We all have. It is all rubbish and we know where they came from.

Seanad: Order of Business (10 Jul 2013)

David Norris: It is not. We should have had notice of this.

Seanad: Order of Business (10 Jul 2013)

David Norris: Will the Leader drop in a note?

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