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Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Sharon Keogan: The witnesses are very welcome this afternoon. This is a very important piece of legislation that we as a committee here must scrutinise, and the witnesses are part of that scrutiny, unfortunately. I am going to talk about NGOs in general and the collaboration and influence they have in this particular consultation process. Seven of the organisations - the National Women's Council of...

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Sharon Keogan: Were these positions developed independently or was there a co-ordinated effort? If it was co-ordinated, who led the process?

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Sharon Keogan: It was to the National Women's Council of Ireland, IHREC and Pavee Point. I think that FLAC was mentioned in all three of their submissions.

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Sharon Keogan: Yes, I understand that.

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Sharon Keogan: Does the IHREC directly collaborate with that?

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Sharon Keogan: Does it have direct collaboration with that?

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Sharon Keogan: Yes.

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Sharon Keogan: Yes, I know.

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Sharon Keogan: The National Women's Council.

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Sharon Keogan: I have questions for the National Women's Council of Ireland on gender identity and representation. The National Women's Council of Ireland advocates for the inclusion of gender identity, gender expression and sex characteristics in the gender ground. Can the witnesses define these terms clearly?

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Sharon Keogan: The NWCI claims to represent the women of Ireland. That is what the organisation is about. It is the National Women's Council. How does it reconcile that with support for policies many Irishwomen feel undermine sex-based rights?

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Sharon Keogan: Does Mr. Swan believe those policies the NCWI has undermine sex-based rights at this moment in time?

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Sharon Keogan: To women.

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Sharon Keogan: To women. Do the NCWI policies undermine sex-based rights for women?

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Sharon Keogan: So you represent men.

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Sharon Keogan: Mr. Herrick, please.

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Sharon Keogan: Does Mr. Finlay or anybody else wish to address it?

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Sharon Keogan: I thank the witnesses for coming in this evening. We have all learned a lot from them and one another. The NGOs being able to bring legal claims in their own name, rather than relying on individuals, was a position taken by the National Women's Council, NWC. Is this view shared by all of the organisations? If the NGOs are granted legal standing, how does Ms Bayliss propose to ensure...

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Sharon Keogan: Does anyone else have a position on it? No one else has a position on it, only the National Women's Council. Maybe Mr. Swan will be able to answer the question in relation to conflicts of interest regarding funding?

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