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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Jul 2025)

Garret Ahearn: The council did not listen to the Department's direction.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Jul 2025)

Garret Ahearn: Did the council tell the Department this work had been commissioned?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Jul 2025)

Garret Ahearn: How do the officials feel about that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Jul 2025)

Garret Ahearn: Now it is €119,000, have the officials got confirmation that is it and there is nothing else that is going to be paid for?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Jul 2025)

Garret Ahearn: Okay. It seems crazy. The council lied to the officials, essentially.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Jul 2025)

Garret Ahearn: It misled them.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Jul 2025)

Garret Ahearn: Okay, the council did not give the Department the full information.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Jul 2025)

Garret Ahearn: I withdraw the word "lie". The council did not give the Department the full information.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Jul 2025)

Garret Ahearn: The council has a tendency to do this because when I asked it about taking on staff in IT at the time its representatives said they got no staff, but what they meant was they got no staff at a certain level, so they have a tendency to - what is the phrase I am allowed to use? - mislead.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Jul 2025)

Garret Ahearn: Mislead. They have a tendency to mislead.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Jul 2025)

Garret Ahearn: Or they have a tendency not to give the full information.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Jul 2025)

Garret Ahearn: Once the council started the legal case, was there anyone in the Department who would have been in consultation or constant contact with the council on an ongoing basis about how the case was going, how much it was costing, what the council was doing, who it was against and how much that was going to cost? Is there anyone in the Department who had constant interaction with the Arts Council...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Jul 2025)

Garret Ahearn: But once the council decided to, surely there was someone in the Department who would have had a back-and-forth with the council to see how it was going.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Jul 2025)

Garret Ahearn: Was that on a consistent basis of every couple of weeks or something?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Jul 2025)

Garret Ahearn: And that was not factually true.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Jul 2025)

Garret Ahearn: It was €60,000 two weeks ago.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Jul 2025)

Garret Ahearn: In two weeks.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Jul 2025)

Garret Ahearn: All right, I will put it to the officials another way. Two weeks ago, did they believe the council only spent €60,000?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Jul 2025)

Garret Ahearn: Do the officials believe they were not given the full information?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Jul 2025)

Garret Ahearn: Does Mr. Ó Coigligh believe, from the Department's dealings with the council, that is an ongoing issue?

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