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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Israeli Bond Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Jun 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: Unfortunately, we do not have the bells here.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Israeli Bond Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Jun 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: I am conscious that the voting bell started a minute or two before the Senator started speaking. He has used about four minutes. The Senator may leave when necessary. I understand Dr. Nuseibah must also leave at some point.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Israeli Bond Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Jun 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: I understand.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Israeli Bond Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Jun 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: Is Senator O'Reilly finished?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Israeli Bond Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Jun 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: You absolutely may. Have a safe flight.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Israeli Bond Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Jun 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: Ms Mahony or Mr. Marmion may like to continue.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Israeli Bond Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Jun 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: We have to wrap up on this but there will be time for a second round.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Israeli Bond Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Jun 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: We will come back to it. I need to move on to an Teachta Timmins. I can then follow up with my own questions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Israeli Bond Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Jun 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: I ask Mr. Marmion not to name anyone specifically.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Israeli Bond Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Jun 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: It is up to the member because it is the member's time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Israeli Bond Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Jun 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: There were a few interesting things said this evening. Dr. Nuseibah mentioned that individuals are obviously also bound by the Genocide Convention, and it could have a long-term impact on individuals. There was also a discussion last week about whether the Central Bank or the State are bound by the Genocide Convention, and the impact that has. My understanding from what Dr. Nuseibah said...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Israeli Bond Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Jun 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: When I had to cut Mr. Marmion short, he seemed to be implying that he felt this was a political decision rather than a legal decision due to the obligations under the Genocide Convention. Will he finish what he was saying on that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Israeli Bond Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Jun 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: One of the concepts raised a number of times during today's meeting is the role of the US in all of this. Speaking as someone who is half-German, never again means never again, as Ms Mahony mentioned. I obviously feel strongly about that. I firmly believe everybody has a responsibility at times like this to put their head above the parapet. However, let us take a look at the US...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Israeli Bond Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Jun 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: The anti-money laundering directive is an issue I raised with the Central Bank. As somebody who has worked in banks, every year we had to do anti-money laundering training. What is the witnesses' view on the impact of the proceeds of war crimes? Do they have a view on that in terms of the anti-money laundering directive? I am not speaking specifically about the prospectus regulation. Do...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Israeli Bond Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Jun 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: Ms Mahony believes Israel would fall into that category legally, rather than from her own point of view.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Israeli Bond Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Jun 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: Is there anything Mr. Marmion would like to add?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Israeli Bond Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Jun 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: When you are the last person to contribute, most of your questions have already been answered. Is there anything else the witnesses would like to mention?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Israeli Bond Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Jun 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: I will finish with a comment of my own in that regard. I found it interesting, unusual and strange that this prospectus regulation has such almighty power that it goes above the Genocide Convention. I am not a legal expert, and that is why we had a legal expert in. Legal experts will have their opinions. However, it seems strange that a prospectus regulation has so much power above and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Israeli Bond Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Jun 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: I understand. Just do not name anybody specific.

Emergency Action on Housing and Homelessness: Motion [Private Members] (17 Jun 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: I heard the Taoiseach's remarks yesterday at the national economic dialogue, and I have to say never in my life have I heard such reality-defying words. He told us that fundamental reform was being delivered that was creating a sustainable housing system into the future. We have a Raise the Roof rally outside the Dáil today. If we did a survey of all the people there, and of all the...

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