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Public Accounts Committee: Exceptional Funding of the Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (20 Nov 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Just that it was referred to An Garda Síochána.

Public Accounts Committee: Exceptional Funding of the Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (20 Nov 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Was Mr. O'Brien of the view that this was necessary?

Public Accounts Committee: Exceptional Funding of the Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (20 Nov 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Was Mr. O'Brien of this view as a result of AHBRA's report or on the basis of the trust's records?

Public Accounts Committee: Exceptional Funding of the Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (20 Nov 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: I do not want to jeopardise any matter that might be referred to An Garda Síochána and while we might be frustrated with that, I appreciate Mr. O'Brien filling us in. I want to turn to the board and to the governance. How many members are on the board at the moment?

Public Accounts Committee: Exceptional Funding of the Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (20 Nov 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: How many of those were members of the board in 2022 or 2023?

Public Accounts Committee: Exceptional Funding of the Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (20 Nov 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Okay, there is one remaining member.

Public Accounts Committee: Exceptional Funding of the Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (20 Nov 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: They would have been sort of a late entrant. The board would have had a number of subcommittees in 2022 and 2023 and has similar subcommittees now, or have they changed?

Public Accounts Committee: Exceptional Funding of the Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (20 Nov 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Is there a property subcommittee?

Public Accounts Committee: Exceptional Funding of the Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (20 Nov 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: I imagine the property subcommittee would have been tasked with assisting in updating the asset register, which was significantly misleading. I think that is the only way to put it.

Public Accounts Committee: Exceptional Funding of the Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (20 Nov 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Just for clarity, is the remaining board member, if we want to use that phrase, a member of the property committee?

Public Accounts Committee: Exceptional Funding of the Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (20 Nov 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Okay. I suppose there might be some questions about whether somebody who was a member of the property committee in 2023 should remain as a member of the property committee now. As he was a very late attendee, a newcomer to that committee, does Mr. O'Brien have confidence in the person completing that work?

Public Accounts Committee: Exceptional Funding of the Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (20 Nov 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Does Mr. O'Brien believe there are any outstanding conflicts of interest between that person and the individuals we discussed this morning and the former holders of offices in the trust?

Public Accounts Committee: Exceptional Funding of the Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (20 Nov 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Okay, that is useful.

Public Accounts Committee: Exceptional Funding of the Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (20 Nov 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Yes, of course. I accept that and I do not cast any aspersions on them. There is a difficulty, though, with people declaring conflicts of interest within the trust. It has not been as obvious as it should have been.

Public Accounts Committee: Exceptional Funding of the Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (20 Nov 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Do any staff members of the Peter McVerry Trust currently lease properties to the trust?

Public Accounts Committee: Exceptional Funding of the Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (20 Nov 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: No employees are benefiting financially from leasing properties to the trust itself.

Public Accounts Committee: Exceptional Funding of the Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (20 Nov 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: How is a conflict of interest of that nature or a conflict of interest at board level now dealt with?

Public Accounts Committee: Exceptional Funding of the Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (20 Nov 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Is there board-only time at those meetings?

Public Accounts Committee: Exceptional Funding of the Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (20 Nov 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Okay, some of those questions are basic enough that we should not have to ask, but I will ask them. In regard to contractors who might have been owed money, and that was mentioned this morning, are the witnesses aware of any current contractors who remain unpaid for work they believe they carried out for the trust?

Public Accounts Committee: Exceptional Funding of the Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (20 Nov 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Of what value?

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