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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2024
Vote 21 - Prisons
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth - Programme E Expenditure
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 9 - Assessing Cyber Security in the Public Sector
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2024
Chapter 9 - Criminal Justice Operational Hubs
Chapter 10 - Management of International Protection Accommodation Contracts
(23 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: For example, that report references-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2024
Vote 21 - Prisons
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth - Programme E Expenditure
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 9 - Assessing Cyber Security in the Public Sector
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2024
Chapter 9 - Criminal Justice Operational Hubs
Chapter 10 - Management of International Protection Accommodation Contracts
(23 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Let me reference some of those countries. In France and Sweden the figure is approximately $6,500. It is possible that an entirely different package is being offered in Poland, but the figure there is coming in at $1,500 per refugee. It is very difficult to understand the discrepancy in the cost per refugee being reported. Mr. Delaney has referenced the report. People want to know...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2024
Vote 21 - Prisons
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth - Programme E Expenditure
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 9 - Assessing Cyber Security in the Public Sector
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2024
Chapter 9 - Criminal Justice Operational Hubs
Chapter 10 - Management of International Protection Accommodation Contracts
(23 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Given the scale and speed at which the numbers in our system changed, have we put in place a system that is not providing value to the taxpayer? Can Mr. Delaney reassure us that, as we put in place a more public model, that cost will reduce?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2024
Vote 21 - Prisons
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth - Programme E Expenditure
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 9 - Assessing Cyber Security in the Public Sector
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2024
Chapter 9 - Criminal Justice Operational Hubs
Chapter 10 - Management of International Protection Accommodation Contracts
(23 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: If there is a price per night in the public provision, what is that figure?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2024
Vote 21 - Prisons
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth - Programme E Expenditure
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 9 - Assessing Cyber Security in the Public Sector
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2024
Chapter 9 - Criminal Justice Operational Hubs
Chapter 10 - Management of International Protection Accommodation Contracts
(23 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: It is almost half that figure.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2024
Vote 21 - Prisons
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth - Programme E Expenditure
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 9 - Assessing Cyber Security in the Public Sector
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2024
Chapter 9 - Criminal Justice Operational Hubs
Chapter 10 - Management of International Protection Accommodation Contracts
(23 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: I hear that. I want to return to the evidence given to us a number of weeks ago by Tusla. The figure I was taken aback by related to those in special emergency arrangements. I appreciate that not all of those people are seeking international protection. However, for those in special emergency arrangements, a figure of €750,000 per year was given as being the cost of providing...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2024
Vote 21 - Prisons
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth - Programme E Expenditure
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 9 - Assessing Cyber Security in the Public Sector
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2024
Chapter 9 - Criminal Justice Operational Hubs
Chapter 10 - Management of International Protection Accommodation Contracts
(23 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Does the Department of justice have any responsibility for children seeking international protection?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2024
Vote 21 - Prisons
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth - Programme E Expenditure
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 9 - Assessing Cyber Security in the Public Sector
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2024
Chapter 9 - Criminal Justice Operational Hubs
Chapter 10 - Management of International Protection Accommodation Contracts
(23 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Who assesses their application?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2024
Vote 21 - Prisons
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth - Programme E Expenditure
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 9 - Assessing Cyber Security in the Public Sector
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2024
Chapter 9 - Criminal Justice Operational Hubs
Chapter 10 - Management of International Protection Accommodation Contracts
(23 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: The cost of provision and so on-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2024
Vote 21 - Prisons
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth - Programme E Expenditure
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 9 - Assessing Cyber Security in the Public Sector
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2024
Chapter 9 - Criminal Justice Operational Hubs
Chapter 10 - Management of International Protection Accommodation Contracts
(23 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: It was expressed here that there could be concerns about whether somebody is a child or not. Is that something the Department has examined?

Written Answers — Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport: Departmental Data (21 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: 256. To ask the Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport the status of the CIÉ pension agreement (details supplied); and if he is aware of the concerns [56928/25]

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Members are all very welcome to today's meeting of the Committee of Public Accounts. Before we proceed, I have a few housekeeping matters to go through. Members are reminded of the provisions within Standing Order 226 that the committee shall refrain from inquiring into the merits of a policy or policies of the Government or a Minister of the Government or the merits of the objectives of...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Gabhaim buíochas le Mr. McCarthy. Do members wish to comment? When referring to the work programme, I noted that the misclassification of workers, covered by No. 7, which is on the Social Insurance Fund, is one to which the committee will return.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: We will ask the clerk of the committee to send correspondence seeking the outcome of the review. Are there any other items? Could we agree to note the listing of accounts and financial statements?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Yes, it will be dealt with further on. Could we agree to note the listing of accounts and financial statements? Agreed. They will be published as part of our minutes. We will now consider items of correspondence that have been received from Accounting Officers in Government bodies. These items were received between 26 September and 14 October 2025. The committee has agreed to note and...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Yes. While we were in private session, we had a discussion around the work programme. We have agreed, for the slots in the early January, that we will be able to schedule additional meetings. At the next work programme meeting, we can discuss including the NTA.

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