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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: General Scheme of the International Protection Bill 2025: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

Matt Carthy: Of the 48 who are accounted for, would I be correct in saying a number of them had left the State?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: General Scheme of the International Protection Bill 2025: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

Matt Carthy: Any younger than 16?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: General Scheme of the International Protection Bill 2025: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

Matt Carthy: These are aged 12 and 14.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: General Scheme of the International Protection Bill 2025: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

Matt Carthy: Without dealing with the specific cases, these are 12- and 14-year-olds who came to Ireland unaccompanied, were in our system, and subsequently went to Britain. There are adults who would not manage that, in terms of the logistics of understanding the system. Is it fair to say that there is a very good chance there are guiding hands in a lot of these other companies?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: General Scheme of the International Protection Bill 2025: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

Matt Carthy: Does Tusla have a fear that some of the minors who enter into Ireland have been victims of trafficking?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: General Scheme of the International Protection Bill 2025: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

Matt Carthy: Of the 19 children who are still missing, does Tusla have evidence or any way of knowing how many of them, if any, are victims of trafficking or whether there are other-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: General Scheme of the International Protection Bill 2025: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

Matt Carthy: But we know there are 19 children missing. We know there is a risk, at least, that they are being trafficked or exploited in other ways. What level of co-ordination is taking place between services, here or beyond our shores, to find these kids?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: General Scheme of the International Protection Bill 2025: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

Matt Carthy: So if a child is under Tusla care and goes missing, it then becomes a matter for the Garda.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: General Scheme of the International Protection Bill 2025: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

Matt Carthy: In terms of the guiding hands that I spoke about, namely, the facilitators or the traffickers depending on the motivation behind them, what are the efforts to hold them accountable for bringing unaccompanied minors into the State?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: General Scheme of the International Protection Bill 2025: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

Matt Carthy: Have any convictions arisen out of any of that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: General Scheme of the International Protection Bill 2025: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

Matt Carthy: Thank you. I have no other members indicating for our first round. I have a non-member, Deputy Ó Súilleabháin for five minutes and then I will open it up for a second round of questions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: General Scheme of the International Protection Bill 2025: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

Matt Carthy: Judging by the numbers and indications, I think we can allow four minutes each in the second round. Senator Ruane will be followed by Deputy Gannon. Other members may wish to indicate.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: General Scheme of the International Protection Bill 2025: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

Matt Carthy: Does someone want to answer that, very briefly?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: General Scheme of the International Protection Bill 2025: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

Matt Carthy: I call Senator Rabbitte who will be followed by Deputy Ward.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: General Scheme of the International Protection Bill 2025: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

Matt Carthy: I have a couple of questions to round out this discussion. I will ask the departmental officials to clarify something. I may have missed it in the general scheme, but is there any outline of the interaction between the EU asylum and migration pact and the common travel area?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: General Scheme of the International Protection Bill 2025: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

Matt Carthy: So, there are no issues specific to the common travel area. Is that correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: General Scheme of the International Protection Bill 2025: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

Matt Carthy: Therein lies the lunacy of the Government's approach, although I know the officials cannot comment on that. We have been told by the Minister that the majority of people seeking international protection who enter this State come from the common travel area rather than the EU framework yet we are devising an entire immigration system and Bill in the context of the latter rather than the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: General Scheme of the International Protection Bill 2025: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

Matt Carthy: What are the timeframes for processing?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: General Scheme of the International Protection Bill 2025: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

Matt Carthy: What is the maximum?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: General Scheme of the International Protection Bill 2025: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

Matt Carthy: What is the maximum timeframe for the processing of appeals?

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