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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: As it is just 12 noon, I propose that we take a short break.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: Briefly, if you can.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: I call Deputy Boland.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: I have a number of questions. I want to return to the issue of the special emergency arrangements. How long are those arrangements in place? How many years ago were they put in place?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: An exponential growth-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: Would their use predate 2021?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: Were there 40 prior to 2021?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: Was it on an annual basis? Do we know how far back it goes?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: I am conscious of time. Can I ask that we get a breakdown of the expenditure on the special emergency arrangements going back to when the organisation was established?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: Can we get an annual breakdown that includes how many children were involved? How many companies does Tusla currently engage with?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: Tusla acknowledged that the use of these do not meet the residential care standards required for long-term placements. What standards do they not meet?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: There are lower standards there.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: The witnesses gave the figure of 51 children who are currently in special emergency arrangements and they also gave the figure of €35 million. Is that for this year to date?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: For the 51 children who are currently in the SEAs, the figure is-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: What was the figure last year?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: The witnesses gave a figure of €750,000. That was for one child. My maths might be a bit off given the increase from €35 million to €38 million but that works out at nearly €700,000 per child.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: Given that the care standards are not what they are for other residential care, does Mr. Smyth think that represents value for money?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: Is €700,000 per child value for money?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: Does Mr. Smyth think it is still value for money though?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: On the age profile, Ms Duggan kept referring to teenagers in the age range of 15 to 17. What is the youngest placement with a special emergency arrangement?

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