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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: What about lessons from 208 cases?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: It is within the acceptable range.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: Does Dr. McKenna think so or does he know so?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: It would have been handy for the joint committee to have this important information.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: I understand we do not know the figures as yet.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: That is unfortunate. I return to how this matter came about and how it came into the public domain. The memorandum sent to the Minister states: "The Department is in consultation with the HSE in regard to their preparation of a press statement on the matter." Presumably, this was before the bombshell hit Mr. O'Brien. The HSE was clearly involved and I would like to know which personnel...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: I thought it was snow.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: To whom do the two individuals in question report?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: They report solely to the screening service and are not part of the HSE's internal communications structure.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: They are not part of the HSE.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: As I stated, it stretches credibility beyond breaking point, if one will, that Mr. O'Brien was not aware of this. Dr. Coffey, in his memorandum to the Minister, stated he did not consider this to be a patient safety incident. I am sure he will understand the reason any woman reading the document would consider it to be very much a patient safety incident. At that stage, was Dr. Coffey...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: I have one last point on that matter-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: It very much is a patient safety matter. I find the statement outrageous.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: Mr. Gleeson said he sent it to the head of screening. It would be helpful if he could associate a name with that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: What is the title of the office and the time when he or she occupied it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: I am sorry Chair, this actually is important. Here is the leaflet, what does the leaflet say? It says the result-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: Yes, may not be 100% accurate.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: The witness has given a figure that he would give to a woman and of course not every woman is going to see Dr. McKenna is she? No she is not. This was shambolic before we came in here. I imagine Mr. O'Brien came in here with his large assembled team to do some form of damage limitation exercise. With respect, he has made it worse. There is not one solitary woman outside of here who will...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: I am sorry Chair but this is outrageous.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: That is fair enough yes. Can one of the witnesses give me an answer as to what exactly the accuracy rates are? Is there a difference between whether or not it is tested in Ireland or America? Is there a difference between who takes it? Is there standard advice that is given to people? Is there any kind of standardised process at all? Dr. McKenna said what he would say to women, but...

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